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ORIGINAL: popeye1250



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq9tEi8FrAw&list=FLiaMPp0XwH5CSqnTadl6HPQ&index=315&feature=plpp_video

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

It's somewhat interesting to see how uniform the responses have been, compared to when another poster on these boards shared the story of his own encounter with a burglar.

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ORIGINAL: ladynlord

Thank you Lucy! I actually had forgotten what a thrashing Ori had taken. A quick re-reading sent my blood pressure up again. At least this instance has not turned so ugly.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Its scary tho that she said if it wasnt for the fear she felt for her child, that she wouldnt have shot the attacker.. if she had been alone she might be dead now herself.. Women need to get that their lives are more important, important enough to fully defend themselves even if it means killing their attacker, imo..

I'm wondering if her comment may have been the result of depression, and feeling lost/unmoored, as her husband had just died, and her dogs had been killed.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

I reckon quite a few of you know some people like that, maybe some of you know people who have had mental problems for a while but are fine now.
Wouldn't it be a tradegy if those people were now dead?

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I am not saying if this women was right or wrong but has anyone ever had a kid or heard of a kid who went off the rails for a while then realised the error of their ways and settled down to be a decent person?
I reckon quite a few of you know some people like that, maybe some of you know people who have had mental problems for a while but are fine now.
Wouldn't it be a tradegy if those people were now dead?
Every dead body is someones son or daughter, possibly someones dad or mother.
We will never know what that man wanted, he may have just wanted some cash, he may have just wanted to let off some steam, and obviously he may have wanted to kill her and her baby. but we will never know because he is dead.
Most people on CM seem to back the idea that killing anyone who threatens you, or your family or even just your property deserves to die but try for one second to imagine that it is your son or daughter lying dead in a pool of blood, still happy?

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
I am not saying if this women was right or wrong but has anyone ever had a kid or heard of a kid who went off the rails for a while then realised the error of their ways and settled down to be a decent person?
I reckon quite a few of you know some people like that, maybe some of you know people who have had mental problems for a while but are fine now.
Wouldn't it be a tradegy if those people were now dead?
Every dead body is someones son or daughter, possibly someones dad or mother.
We will never know what that man wanted, he may have just wanted some cash, he may have just wanted to let off some steam, and obviously he may have wanted to kill her and her baby. but we will never know because he is dead.
Most people on CM seem to back the idea that killing anyone who threatens you, or your family or even just your property deserves to die but try for one second to imagine that it is your son or daughter lying dead in a pool of blood, still happy?

so its better that the victim be dead instead??? you have no idea what the intent was, I think its a pretty good guess that these guys killed her dogs,.. if they can do that then what value did her life have to them (once they were done with whatever cruelty they had planned)? They spent 21 minutes breaking into her house.. they werent just letting off steam.. imo this was planned, they spent weeks terrorizing her,.. Dont do the crime if you dont like the possible consequences.. especially if you underestimate your victim..

This kind of behaviour doesnt happen overnight.. parents have the opportunity to get their kid help or to get him to straightened out.. If they dont do all they can or if they are in denial then they are also part of the problem.. jmo..

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Am I being callous in saying that the sheer incompetence of a burglar who can't break into a mobile home in under 20 minutes - deserves whatever comes to them? 

Seriously though, the fact that they went back and forth from door to door seems to imply an intent to harass and terrify.  Combined with the suspicious deaths of her two dogs and you have a pattern of terrorizing that couldn't possibly have led to any happy endings.

Personally, even though I know I could shoot and kill someone if I ever absolutely had to, I know it would forever haunt me.  This young woman already has enough haunting her, I hope that whatever justification she finds in the shootings brings her peace. 

As for the assholes who harassed her, maybe they might have repented their evil ways and become good citizens.  Not everyone gets to live long enough to learn from their mistakes.  I have compassion in my hearts for their families, but I definitely do not have any judgement to pass on the poor girl who shot the guy.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Am I being callous in saying that the sheer incompetence of a burglar who can't break into a mobile home in under 20 minutes - deserves whatever comes to them? 

Seriously though, the fact that they went back and forth from door to door seems to imply an intent to harass and terrify.  Combined with the suspicious deaths of her two dogs and you have a pattern of terrorizing that couldn't possibly have led to any happy endings.

Personally, even though I know I could shoot and kill someone if I ever absolutely had to, I know it would forever haunt me.  This young woman already has enough haunting her, I hope that whatever justification she finds in the shootings brings her peace. 

As for the assholes who harassed her, maybe they might have repented their evil ways and become good citizens.  Not everyone gets to live long enough to learn from their mistakes.  I have compassion in my hearts for their families, but I definitely do not have any judgement to pass on the poor girl who shot the guy.

She defended herself not for herself but for her child. She will look at her child and know she did the right thing. jmo

The other side of the coin.. they rape her and kill both her and her baby, the police dont catch them and they go on to become serial rapist killers.. Many serial killers start with killing animals, after all.. again, that could be another possiblility..

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
the usual response...
no of course it not better that the victim is dead, maybe there is a middle ground where no one is dead?
you are guessing that they killed her dogs then implying that killing a dog is the same as killing a mother and baby, not in my world.
I am just playing devils advocate, could she have gone out of the back door and run away? I don't know, but I do know that when you are dead there is no coming back.
Guns mean dead people, one of those dead people might be your son, happy?

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

A girl after my own heart!

http://www.kfor.com/news/kfor-blanchard-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-20120101,0,2752550.story

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
the usual response...
no of course it not better that the victim is dead, maybe there is a middle ground where no one is dead?
you are guessing that they killed her dogs then implying that killing a dog is the same as killing a mother and baby, not in my world.
I am just playing devils advocate, could she have gone out of the back door and run away? I don't know, but I do know that when you are dead there is no coming back.
Guns mean dead people, one of those dead people might be your son, happy?

no, i am implying that serial killers frequently start off by killing animals.. and to kill her dogs was a way of terrorizing her.. Do you think they tried breaking in just to steal a few things from her? imo they broke in to torture and rape her and possibly to kill her as well..

She was outnumbered, one guy likely at the front door and assuming there was a back door, the other guy likely there. Imo, she was trapped and knew it, plus she had a child to carry and run with..

I guess they were arrogant enough to not consider the possibility that they might be killed themselves instead.. if not by the young woman, then possibly by the cops.. Do you feel cops should also be all touchy feely when confronted with such attackers?

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Am I being callous in saying that the sheer incompetence of a burglar who can't break into a mobile home in under 20 minutes - deserves whatever comes to them? 

Seriously though, the fact that they went back and forth from door to door seems to imply an intent to harass and terrify.  Combined with the suspicious deaths of her two dogs and you have a pattern of terrorizing that couldn't possibly have led to any happy endings.

Personally, even though I know I could shoot and kill someone if I ever absolutely had to, I know it would forever haunt me.  This young woman already has enough haunting her, I hope that whatever justification she finds in the shootings brings her peace. 

As for the assholes who harassed her, maybe they might have repented their evil ways and become good citizens.  Not everyone gets to live long enough to learn from their mistakes.  I have compassion in my hearts for their families, but I definitely do not have any judgement to pass on the poor girl who shot the guy.

She defended herself not for herself but for her child. She will look at her child and know she did the right thing. jmo

The other side of the coin.. they rape her and kill both her and her baby, the police dont catch them and they go on to become serial rapist killers.. Many serial killers start with killing animals, after all.. again, that could be another possiblility..

I shot a bird with an air rifle in my back garden once....
I hate doing this but really, could you give us some stats to back up the kill an animal become a serial killer line?

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A girl after my own heart!

http://www.kfor.com/news/kfor-blanchard-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-20120101,0,2752550.story

The city should give her a medal. The community should come together and help her with cleanup and repairs.

"When seconds count, the law is only minutes away"

or, in some cases 21 minutes away.

'hawk