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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:46:33 PM   
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but then, how much trouble can a kid get into living on a farm? lol

errrrrrm a lot

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:49:18 PM   
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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:51:00 PM   
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but then, how much trouble can a kid get into living on a farm? lol

errrrrrm a lot

LOL oh Hilly... I think you have heard too many farmer's daughter fantasies!..

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:51:08 PM   
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I am a mother of sons. I agree fully with Duskypearls.

Ah - now that *does* show some moral courage! Most people here are plainly thinking of other people - with other mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and partners - when they're considering burglars and what they'd do to them. But if you'd accept the righteousness of your own son being shot for attempting a break-in, that's quite different.

These guys werent youths, or underage kids, one was 29 and the other was 24.. They stalked her, likely the ones that killed her dogs, terrorized her, there were other suspicious things happening to her.. they were getting away with these things so they became bolder.. what do you think their intentions were? being female I would not have wanted to be at their mercy..

At one time i lived next to a family and supposedly one of the kids was staying out late and breaking into places and stealing things.. him i would not have been afraid of but he was just a kid, these guys were fully grown adults... and pretty nasty for picking a young (only 18 so younger than them) new widow with a baby as their victim..




I don't think you're getting my point, TJ. I'm saying that I think you show strength of moral courage if you're willing to apply the same moral principle regarding shooting of burglars to your own sons. It's all too easy to cook up a moral principle that feels good when applied to strangers; less so when applied to one's own loved ones (when they go 'off the rails'). And people can go off those rails, of course, even when they've got as far as their late twenties or older.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:53:58 PM   
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but then, how much trouble can a kid get into living on a farm? lol

errrrrrm a lot

LOL oh Hilly... I think you have heard too many farmer's daughter fantasies!..

No, I was just raised in a rural area as an only child with a lot of time on my hands and you know what they say about idle hands..................

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 6:59:11 PM   
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mmm...idle hands (sighs)...

This reminds me of when my son was 4 and my dad was getting frustrated with him.  He told him if he disobeyed again, to come back with a switch.  My son came back a few minutes later, with a switch in hand - broken into about a half dozen pieces. 

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:02:16 PM   
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I am a mother of sons. I agree fully with Duskypearls.

Ah - now that *does* show some moral courage! Most people here are plainly thinking of other people - with other mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and partners - when they're considering burglars and what they'd do to them. But if you'd accept the righteousness of your own son being shot for attempting a break-in, that's quite different.

These guys werent youths, or underage kids, one was 29 and the other was 24.. They stalked her, likely the ones that killed her dogs, terrorized her, there were other suspicious things happening to her.. they were getting away with these things so they became bolder.. what do you think their intentions were? being female I would not have wanted to be at their mercy..

At one time i lived next to a family and supposedly one of the kids was staying out late and breaking into places and stealing things.. him i would not have been afraid of but he was just a kid, these guys were fully grown adults... and pretty nasty for picking a young (only 18 so younger than them) new widow with a baby as their victim..


I don't think you're getting my point, TJ. I'm saying that I think you show strength of moral courage if you're willing to apply the same moral principle regarding shooting of burglars to your own sons. It's all too easy to cook up a moral principle that feels good when applied to strangers; less so when applied to one's own loved ones (when they go 'off the rails'). And people can go off those rails, of course, even when they've got as far as their late twenties or older.


Yes, I agree for many people, they have a double standard.. I dont have kids but if i did, they would not have a cushy life.. I would have them doing work and chores as soon as they could walk and they would be taught to think about the consequences of their actions and decisions and to weigh the pros and cons carefully.. Imo, being easy on kids, giving them whatever they want on a silver platter, letting them get away with things, and making excuses for their behaviour is doing them a disservice, it teaches kids that they can get away with that but as an adult the reality is that they cant.. Sometimes I would not listen to my mothers advice, then things didnt go as i expected and she would laugh at me and tell me that now i would learn.. you learn quickly when you have to live with the consequences.. lol

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:03:55 PM   
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mmm...idle hands (sighs)...

This reminds me of when my son was 4 and my dad was getting frustrated with him.  He told him if he disobeyed again, to come back with a switch.  My son came back a few minutes later, with a switch in hand - broken into about a half dozen pieces. 


I tried that once when I was little........I also tried the "Bring back a flimsy dead stick" trick too....neither one worked.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:07:10 PM   
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No, I was just raised in a rural area as an only child with a lot of time on my hands and you know what they say about idle hands..................

lol for some reason that reminded me of the time i tied my younger brother to a tree and left him there..

I can only imagine how much trouble a rascal like you would have gotten into if you had siblings..

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:07:45 PM   
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Poor Hilly.  You make me want to hug and kiss you and make it all better 

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:55:08 PM   
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Poor Hilly.  You make me want to hug and kiss you and make it all better 

You can do it anyways if ya want.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 7:58:57 PM   
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the usual response...
no of course it not better that the victim is dead, maybe there is a middle ground where no one is dead?
you are guessing that they killed her dogs then implying that killing a dog is the same as killing a mother and baby, not in my world.
I am just playing devils advocate, could she have gone out of the back door and run away? I don't know, but I do know that when you are dead there is no coming back.
Guns mean dead people, one of those dead people might be your son, happy?


Sure, there could have been a 'middle ground'. The perps could have been somewhere else, minding theit own business...maybe even doing something useful. One got what he had coming...the other one got off light, this time.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:06:12 PM   
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Home defense is a fairly important and serious matter, whether done with firearms or not.

Around where I live, gun control laws make it impossible to legally defend your home with a firearm.

That has led to some pondering as to legal and ideally nonlethal approaches, as I prefer to avoid the risk of jail time as a consequence of being prepared. While I am of the opinion that a genuinely unwelcome guest has forfeited certain concerns on entering my home, I am also aware of the possibility of injuring or killing someone that had an acceptable reason for entering (e.g. searching for a phone in an emergency, responding to a fire in the house and so forth). Thus, it is a bonus if nonlethal is an option, or at least if the crucial extra seconds for making a decision can be made available by such measures. I've considered making a business out of it, but the shipping costs from up here are atrocitous due to a mail monopoly situation, and people up here aren't generally interested in defending their homes. As for lethal measures, unarmed on armed combat is something I train, along with how to use the polearm by the bed (sized for close quarters).

In case someone does have an interest in nonlethal measures, here are a couple of simple ones to consider:

- Xenon strobe. Takes up a few feet on a wall, like a fluorescent lamp would. When active, a movement causes it to discharge. That bleaches the pigment in the eye, causing immediate (but temporary) blindness. Vision starts to return slowly after anywhere from a few minutes to half an hour, depending on the strength of the pulse and the level of lighting available. It also disorients equal to the visual half of the effect of a flashbang grenade. (To replicate the other half of the effect, put a shotgun blank in a directional acoustic horn.)

- Irritants and markers. With a legal charge to disperse them, substances such as mace, capsaicin and the like are quite effective at incapacitating most people. Crystal violet and fluorescein makes for a great dye, both incredibly visible and completely recognizeable. It's prone to glowing in the dark around fluorescent lighting and HID headlights on cars. The dye is permanent, and will not go away until the affected body surfaces have been shed, whether that's skin, nails or hair. If the concentration is 0.25% or less, it will not cause eye damage. All concentrations are irritants. The color remains in the cornea for a very long time. Since eye damage pushes buttons, it is advisable to aim low. The irritants, however, are preferrable to aim high.

- Dogs. While a dedicated attacker is not deterred, a dog will deter a casual burglar. It's simply that much easier and less threatening to rob a house that doesn't have one. If you're allergic, set up a dog house, and record some dogs playing tug-o-war and put that on an audio alarm (tip from another poster). The prospect of encountering a dog of unknown size and temperament is discouraging. Not every burglar is able to hit a small, fast moving, aggressive target while completing a forced entry, and those who are, display a willingness to acquire skills that makes them more likely to earn more money on something other than robbing houses, and more likely to be smart enough to pick the safer bet down the street.

- Camera. Very visible, at least once you're inside. Motion tracking. These don't cost so much anymore. And whether you successfully defend your home or not, nobody likes being caught on film with both hands and one foot in the cookie jar. Anyone intending to do real harm will have to consider the prospect of being identified and all which that entails. It's particularly nice as a supplement to the other options.

Most of the time, we're more fortunate than this woman was, and can dissuade people (which is safer than a direct confrontation, as well).

Of course, these people were apparently planning on doing some serious harm, likely premeditated, so no go.

I'm happy things worked out for her, and I was also happy things worked out for Orion.

My responsibility is always to the people in my own household, first and foremost. The relatives, friends and other loved ones of a burglar are distant concerns on an entirely intellectual level in this regard. In theory, with my cultivatedly childlike, loving, forgiving and nice frame of mind, those people and their loss are still concerns somewhere far down the list. In practice, however, instincts take over in such a situation, and mine are to put the attacker down. Right away. Doesn't really matter all that much what I might think about it. Because thinking comes when the other party is no longer a potential threat.

That's one of the things about breaking and entering.

You've always put your life in the ante.

Sometimes, you lose it.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:15:09 PM   
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A girl after my own heart!

http://www.kfor.com/news/kfor-blanchard-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-20120101,0,2752550.story


The city should give her a medal. The community should come together and help her with cleanup and repairs.

"When seconds count, the law is only minutes away"

or, in some cases 21 minutes away.

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when mistakes are made death is only a millisecond away



I'll have to agree with you, there. The 'mistake' was in them being there to start with. I'll wager if he'd known he only had another 21 minutes, he'd have been somewhere else.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:22:38 PM   
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I'm not a fearful person, and I live in a "safe" area, but I do think about the risk of home invasion. I know that I would defend my family with lethal force.

Which is why I do not own a firearm.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:22:40 PM   
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It's somewhat interesting to see how uniform the responses have been, compared to when another poster on these boards shared the story of his own encounter with a burglar.

I wonder why that is... anyone?

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I remember that, Aswad.

Perhaps it is because Off Topic is less contentious than P&R?


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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:22:58 PM   
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Clearly, those two jumped their tracks long ago. I do not care who he was, what his lost potential was, or what he wanted. It is obvious he wanted that which was not his to take. They were a threat and menace to society, and at least one got their just due. That moronic deviant rightly lost his right to a future, when he made himself a threat to hers, and her child.

I have no patience, nor make excuses, for violators of this nature. Their parents failed them, and they failed themselves, long ago. It is not my job to bring up your errant child, teach him right from wrong, accede to, or become victim of, his disease and lack of boundaries and social conscience, or clean up his mess. If you produce a wild and dangerous child or dog, it is MY job to protect myself/my property from him/it. PERIOD! And don't come crying to me about your pain, afterwards. You reap what you sow!

That anyone would attempt to feel sorry for them/theirs, or guilt trip me over such a thing is of great concern, and I seriously question their stability and the setting of their moral compass. One only gets so many chances in this life, and allowing, and apologizing, for such bad, anti-social behavior is disturbing, at best.

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Well said!

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:29:06 PM   
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A girl after my own heart!

http://www.kfor.com/news/kfor-blanchard-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-20120101,0,2752550.story


The city should give her a medal. The community should come together and help her with cleanup and repairs.

"When seconds count, the law is only minutes away"

or, in some cases 21 minutes away.

'hawk



when mistakes are made death is only a millisecond away


There's an old saying Mr "Darwin"

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


Couldn't have said it better, myself.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:50:27 PM   
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A girl after my own heart!

http://www.kfor.com/news/kfor-blanchard-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-20120101,0,2752550.story


The city should give her a medal. The community should come together and help her with cleanup and repairs.

"When seconds count, the law is only minutes away"

or, in some cases 21 minutes away.

'hawk




Right you are, my good man. How 'bout you and I lead the pack?


Only if you walk point...and I get to be advisor to the Pussy Posse.

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RE: Blanchard woman shoots and kills intruder - 1/3/2012 8:53:01 PM   
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nonlethal measures, here are a couple of simple ones to consider:

another is to have a well placed and good secure safe room... (preferably with hidden cameras that can be viewed inside the room & a way to contact 911 from inside)..

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