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mnottertail -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:12:16 AM)

And you have demonstrated the propeganda by that link.  there is no 2 people nothing in law as a definition of natural born citizen. SCOTUS has refused to involve themselves in this blathering idiocy.



subrob1967 -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:24:01 AM)

FR
Every time I see that lawyer's name, I think Oily Taint



Hillwilliam -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:26:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


As has been pointed out all over the internet, it indeed doesn't matter where he was born. He indeed could have been born in Kenya or the Phillipines or in the Oval Office of the White House. His father never was a U.S. citizen. Period.

Which doesn't matter. Period.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:31:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Miserlou

so you know constitutional law better than the congressional research service?

I don't know constitutional law better than the Congressional Reseach Service but I do know grossly misleading/outright lying propaganda when I see it.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/tag/congressional-research-service-propaganda/

From your link ". One must be a Natural Born Citizen. That requires 2 US citizen parents. "


The above is UNTRUE.

The statutes of the US clearly state that if you have at least ONE parent who is a citizen and you have spent the requisite number of years as a US resident after age 13, you are a US citizen by Birth. That last sentence might be where Satyr's people came outside the definition but Im just guessing.



Miserlou -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:33:38 AM)

[:D][:D][:D]

that is a hilarious site! here's a good example of why that site is garbage. it quotes a congressional resolution that has 7 whereas clauses, one of which mentions mccain's parents in passing.
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:

the site then jumps in with this:
Notice that emphasis was placed on the fact that McCain had 2 US citizen parents.

please notice that no such emphasis was placed on that fact in the resolution. i would like to think that that simple observation would have an effect on your opinions, but since they are not fact-based to begin with i am not going to hold out much hope for that.

a happy thursday to you too racerjim.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:40:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR
Every time I see that lawyer's name, I think Oily Taint


Why don't you go and inspect it closely and report back [8D]



Owner59 -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 11:44:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Miserlou

so you know constitutional law better than the congressional research service?

I don't know constitutional law better than the Congressional Reseach Service but I do know grossly misleading/outright lying propaganda when I see it.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/tag/congressional-research-service-propaganda/

From your link ". One must be a Natural Born Citizen. That requires 2 US citizen parents. "


The above is UNTRUE.

The statutes of the US clearly state that if you have at least ONE parent who is a citizen and you have spent the requisite number of years as a US resident after age 13, you are a US citizen by Birth. That last sentence might be where Satyr's people came outside the definition but Im just guessing.

If it were true, cons wouldn`t be trying to change the frick`n US Constitution regarding "anchor babies".

Hey,no one ever said bigots were smart enough to get their bullshit stories straight.[:D]



popeye1250 -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 12:09:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And you have demonstrated the propeganda by that link.  there is no 2 people nothing in law as a definition of natural born citizen. SCOTUS has refused to involve themselves in this blathering idiocy.


Yeah, we don't need to amend the constitution just correct the wording.
If the founding fathers knew there'd be hordes of people sneaking into the country from,.....Russia say and having babies so they could stay.....
If a parent robs a bank the children of that parent don't get to benefit from those ill gotten gains.



vincentML -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 12:32:15 PM)

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I think it important, in this day and age, for an American president to be native born; just to lessen the potential of infiltration. Do I think that makes it fail-safe? Hell nah! But, I think it's important.


Yeh right. Can't be too careful. Don't wanna end up living under that fucking Sharia whachamacallit Law [8|]



tweakabelle -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 2:19:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Miserlou

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Come on, Ron. Seriously? You know what "natural born" means, here.

but you don't

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth.

http://www.legistorm.com/score_crs/show/id/82388.html



Gee thanks for clarifying that Miserlou!

I was beginning to worry that we would have to get to see Obama's mother's health records, and the hospital records to eliminate the possibility that Obama's was a C-section birth ........

Tho I feel obliged to add that there is a school of thought that considers all hospital births to be non-natural (after all they didn't have labour wards in the Garden of Eden did they?) ........ [:D]

So please tell me- is the time of year, something in the water or just the looney Right being even loonier than usual? [:D]



hlen5 -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 2:32:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


......If a parent robs a bank the children of that parent don't get to benefit from those ill gotten gains.


Sorry Popeye, I can't get behind that analogy.

You know we don't need to change the constitution to eliminate so-called "anchor babies". We need immigration reform. We need a guest worker program.



imperatrixx -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 2:34:53 PM)

I'm curious about that now. If my parents robbed a bank, and bought a house with the money, then they died and I inheirited the house, could it be taken away from me? Would it make a difference if it was a house or a cash inheritance? And what if the crime wasn't robbery (which is taking from someone) but making money illegally (I'll skip over drug dealing because drug laws are a special case) in some way that isn't directly stealing it from someone?

Please for the love of god only people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about and can back it up with legitimate sources reply, I don't give a fuck about anyone's speculation.



Musicmystery -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 2:57:12 PM)

Ah. Unpaid research.




BitaTruble -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 3:22:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

If a parent robs a bank the children of that parent don't get to benefit from those ill gotten gains.

Nor are the children required to serve time for the crime. I don't see your point at all. This whole birther thing did not work in 2008 and it's not going to work this time. The people spoke. He got elected. The people will speak again and he may or may not get elected this time but it won't be because of this silly birther business.



Lucylastic -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 3:26:09 PM)

An Oily Taint and Santorum

REDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD someone puhleeeze make it stop
after november please



imperatrixx -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 3:35:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ah. Unpaid research.




Nah just hoping someone in the legal profession happens to know



popeye1250 -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 5:20:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250


......If a parent robs a bank the children of that parent don't get to benefit from those ill gotten gains.


Sorry Popeye, I can't get behind that analogy.

You know we don't need to change the constitution to eliminate so-called "anchor babies". We need immigration reform. We need a guest worker program.


hlen5, and I can't get behind your opinion.
We need to take a long break in immigration while we get the illegals "already here" out.
We don't need "more" of what is screwing this country up.
I'm all for "immigration reform!" End all immigration with Mexico, Cent. America and the Carribean countries. Those countries are the biggest offenders.



DomKen -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 6:12:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I'm all for "immigration reform!" End all immigration with Mexico, Cent. America and the Carribean countries. Those countries are the biggest offenders.

Pops you bigotry is showing again. You might want to look into that.



tazzygirl -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 6:47:00 PM)

That seems to be an ongoing problem with Obama, no-one seems to be able to "remember" him at Columbia and then he had a short trip to *Editor* of the Harvard Law Revue?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/obama/harvard.html

You will only believe what you want to believe, pops.

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Then to top it off in the last year someone comes out and says his i.q. is,.....162. Who needs to know that? Why would someone come out and make a public statement to that affect? I mean why?


Dont know, why would the people repeatedly announce what his IQ "probably" is since 2008?

Its been rumored his LSAT score was in the 160's. I believe you got them confused.




erieangel -> RE: Bigotty bonkers birthers are baaa-aack. (1/5/2012 6:50:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Come on, Ron. Seriously? You know what "natural born" means, here.

Again: I am not saying one way or another in a definitive manner whether I believe he was born on US soil or not. I just think that it took a little too long for a public official to produce something that just about every person has in their possession.

I sincerely hope that President Obama was born on US soil because if he wasn't, he should - by law - be removed from office (or, at least removed from the 2012 ballot, at this point).

Imagine, if you will, that Doctor Kissinger might have been a good president but was precluded from running. (I'm going to spell this wrong and I can't be arsed to look it up)Zbignew Brezhinski (Sec. Of State under President Carter) might have been a good president. Couldn't run.

I think it important, in this day and age, for an American president to be native born; just to lessen the potential of infiltration. Do I think that makes it fail-safe? Hell nah! But, I think it's important.

I don't understand people that seem to say: "The Constitution doesn't matter" when it is the law of the land and the "owners' manual" (if you will) for our whole society.

Do I think: "We believe the certificate of live birth is sufficient" is a valid argument? Maybe. I wasn't convinced, though and I will re-state: I believe that it took a little too long for President Obama to produce a legitimate document that is a requirement to be president.

I also believe that where there's smoke, there's usually fire.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



My nephew wasn't born on US soil.  He was born in Berlin, Germany.  However, he is considered to be a "natural born" citizen because both of his parents are US citizens. 



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