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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 7:47:48 AM   
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Caramel Delights are not nearly as good as Samoas, it's the chocolate.

I normally have GS cookies on my desk for my clients...guess they'll have extra, now!



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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 8:01:33 AM   
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Y'all ever make home made chocolate ice cream and add crumbled up Samoas while it's mixing? (aka Caramel Delights)


Not the home made variety (as in, I did it myself) but just four miles down the road from me is a family owned ice cream stand that makes all of their own ice cream and are known for their abundant variety of mixings and toppings (think Ben and Jerry's on steroids).  They have gotten quite creative with girl scout cookies.  Unfortunately, they are a seasonal operation and won't be open again until March. 



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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 8:28:52 AM   
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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 9:03:41 AM   
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If the parents aren't going to allow the full transformation to begin when applicable while that child is a child, then it's not right to expect others to accept that child as the opposite gender free and clear and his gender is decided for him by his parents and their saying NO.    That is something his parents need to recognize by disallowing him access does.


Hormones do not start until puberty... around 13.

The physical change (surgery) wont even be considered until 18

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 9:08:13 AM   
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I will not be buying Girl Scout cookies because my waistline can't handle them, but I will make a donation to my local Girl Scout chapter. Girls are girls, and need support - whether they started their lives with a vagina or not.



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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 11:55:18 AM   
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Yes tazzy I know that. If a child is living as a girl to becOme a girl and hits puberty and parents decide to allow him to mature as a boy because they are afraid he might change his mind then he is a boy by their determination and should be disclosed as a boy. If they don't accept his decision how can anyone else condemn others for not accepting it? If their refusal to give him the hormones when applicable when his whole life is "that of being a girl" is for any doubt they may have in his conviction. Then they need to disclose he is a boy who wants to be a girl and they are not allowing the physical transition until he is legally old enough to make that decision. I think parents have a right to know that there is a physically maturing boy existing among their girls in an all girl setting.

to me if the parents make this decision Then they should disclose it so that other parents can make decisions for their children. Otherwise the transgender's parents and whomever allows it are making parental choices for the OTHER children. To me that isn't correct. That is what I mean when I said the world doesn't revolve around the transgenders want to do something and their wanting to not disclose takes away others right to makes decisions.

There are other children involved, and their parents have a right to know so they can makes decisions for their kids. Not just the transgender's parents getting to make a choice for their kid only.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 12:26:36 PM   
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I know to many preop transgenders and to me that would be saying they can't present that way because they haven't finished the surgerys.



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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 12:30:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I know to many preop transgenders and to me that would be saying they can't present that way because they haven't finished the surgerys.



Background comment: MtF sexual reassignment surgery can cost $18K-$25K.  That's not an easy amount of money to come up with.



Isn't there also a period of time during which the person must live entirely as a female and undergoing extensive therapy? I also very much doubt that a surgeon is going to perform the SRS on a pre-pubescent child, I'm guessing she would have to wait until at least the age of 18.


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 12:57:16 PM   
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I think parents have a right to know that there is a physically maturing boy existing among their girls in an all girl setting.

Angel



So by this logic (and I am speaking as a bisexual naturally born female), if a child starts to think they may be gay or lesbian are they also required to "out" themselves before they have come to terms with their sexual orientation just to appease other children's' parents. And, additionally, is an adult GBL required to disclose their sexuality whenever in a group of people?

I've been around girls when I was a girl, young women when I was a young women, and mature women now that I am a mature woman - and guess what - I am attracted to women just as much as men. Does this mean I have to disclose my sexuality every time I encounter other women/girls regardless of setting? As a naturally born woman I go to the women's locker room in my gym. I am sexually attracted to women. Do I need to put a banner on myself letting everyone know that? Am I doing something wrong by not disclosing to every woman that I might be attracted to them? Provided that I don't do anything offensive to anyone, I don't feel I have to disclose anything to anyone. No woman or girl has the right to know I am bisexual just because I happen to encounter them in the normal course of my existence.

Until and unless people can show that the 7 year old boy is somehow acting in an inappropriate way during meetings, I don't see what the issue is here. I don't remember anything sexual going on during my Girl Scout meetings as a child. We were well supervised by many parents, and engaged in wholesome activities - always clothed. I do not see how a transgender child would be disruptive to those activities. As a former Girl Scout, I'm just having trouble understanding what specific activities the parents would object to this boy participating in. Am I missing something?


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 1:04:29 PM   
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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 1:09:54 PM   
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I don't know how your analogy is relevant a gay woman is still a woman.

My comment is simple. If parents believe that their daughters are in an all girl setting. They have a right to know that isn't the case. They have a right to EXPLAIN this to their children instead of others deciding. Whether people like it or not or society has gender definitions and I will not agree that someone else has the right to force MY hand by keeping a boy biologically among girls in an all girl setting do one day Suzy comes home saying mommy Julie has a peeped and says he is still a girl. I think parents should be told to explain to their children or to pull them out of the situation all together. I don't have to agree with parents pulling them out instead of teaching but I do believe they have a right to make such a decision for their child as the transgender parent has the right to put Tge child in same. I am sure the transponders parents talked to the kid etc. So why are the other parents denied the right go talk to their children?

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 1:11:21 PM   
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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 1:57:27 PM   
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Yes tazzy I know that. If a child is living as a girl to becOme a girl and hits puberty and parents decide to allow him to mature as a boy because they are afraid he might change his mind then he is a boy by their determination and should be disclosed as a boy. If they don't accept his decision how can anyone else condemn others for not accepting it? If their refusal to give him the hormones when applicable when his whole life is "that of being a girl" is for any doubt they may have in his conviction. Then they need to disclose he is a boy who wants to be a girl and they are not allowing the physical transition until he is legally old enough to make that decision. I think parents have a right to know that there is a physically maturing boy existing among their girls in an all girl setting.

to me if the parents make this decision Then they should disclose it so that other parents can make decisions for their children. Otherwise the transgender's parents and whomever allows it are making parental choices for the OTHER children. To me that isn't correct. That is what I mean when I said the world doesn't revolve around the transgenders want to do something and their wanting to not disclose takes away others right to makes decisions.

There are other children involved, and their parents have a right to know so they can makes decisions for their kids. Not just the transgender's parents getting to make a choice for their kid only.

Angel





I do not disagree with you. But, let me ask you this...

What if they are allowing their boy child, who identifies as being female, to do so in secret? There is still a huge stigma attacked to this disorder. In such a case, does the right of other parents to know supersede the child's right to be safe?

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 2:06:03 PM   
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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 5:06:54 PM   
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What if they are allowing their boy child, who identifies as being female, to do so in secret? There is still a huge stigma attacked to this disorder. In such a case, does the right of other parents to know supersede the child's right to be safe?


Tazzy, 

i know about the stigma, but in the end, your concerns for this one child's safety supersede's other parents' concerns about the other children's safety?   I mean what about children who are molested and they feel girl scouts are a place of safety for them simply because there are no boys.  Then they find out that Julie is really Johnny.  I mean you can make the safety call for many different scenerios.  I would like to believe and do believe that those parents who allow their children to stay would be an added help to the safety of the child and of all of the children in general.  This child's safety doesn't supersede any child's safety or the concern of the parents involved.

No, i don't agree that the child infultrate girl scout's i think there needs to be full disclosure because if people HIDE it, it only makes it appear bad and negative.  And just like it seems many people here have no issue thrusting children into the REAL WORLD of people being transgender etc, in the end, unfortunately, this issue IS one that the child needs to be made aware of the stigma and possible consequences of his or her decision.   The parents need to be diligent in helping them with this.  Hiding it from other parents so those parents are unable to be able to make the decisions they need to for what THEY DEEM the safety and PROTECTION of their own children -- whatever that may be -- is wrong.   It lacks integrity and it doesn't, to me, help their children realize that what they have decided to do -- i.e., become a different gender, and the possible issues they will have.

Yes, i would love to make everyone tolerant and okay with everything everyone wants to do, but that isn't how the world works, and if people want acceptance then don't take away MY choice to decide if i will or won't accept and that includes allowing ME to determine the protection MY child needs.

I know people don't like to hear what i am saying because it's not kumbaya and everyone loves everyone.  But just like the transgender parent's wants to protect their child from things, the other parents want to do the same and while i may not agree with their decisions, i do agree they have a right to decide what the deem protection for their children -- whether that be sitting down with them and explaining about transgender people when they are 6 because they may find out one day Julie really is a johnny (down there) or pulling their child from a situation wherein they might be exposed to something (i.e., Julie really is a johnny (down there)) before the parents want them to be. 

People need to look at the same concepts the transgender parents want for their child and give the other parents the same considerations.  Unfortunately, there are things people have to deal with due to who and what they are and doing so they encounter unpleasantness to down right dangerous situations  -- sometimes these people are children.

Like i said, i have no issue with the children being allowed in girl scouts, but i do believe that disclosure is necessary so that other parents can make decisions for their children.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 5:17:52 PM   
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i know about the stigma, but in the end, your concerns for this one child's safety supersede's other parents' concerns about the other children's safety?   I mean what about children who are molested and they feel girl scouts are a place of safety for them simply because there are no boys. 


boys who want to be girls dont molest...

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The preliminary data of transgendered and intersexed individuals gathered by the Gender, Violence and Resource Access Survey found that 50% of respondents had been raped or assaulted by a romantic partner (Courvant and Cook-Daniels, 1998)

As Dallas Denny (1992) says, "Despite the fact that they are much more often victims of violence than they are perpetrators, transgendered persons are frequently portrayed in the media as psychotics and criminals." Given the virulent violence against transgendered people by the police this is especially ironic.

Transgendered people are often sexually targeted specifically because of their transgendered status. The sexual perpetrator will stalk them, or attack them, infuriated by their cross-gender behavior. Wilchins (1998), in the video "Transgendered Revolution" says, "Trans people are never killed from 300 yards away with a high-powered rifle; they're always killed up front and personal … People want to see us die … there is a level of almost unhinged deranged violence about gender hate crimes."


http://my.execpc.com/~dmmunson/Nov99_7.htm



Seems they are likely to be the victims of such attacks themselves.

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I know people don't like to hear what i am saying because it's not kumbaya and everyone loves everyone.


I also know if it comes down to protecting my child's safety over your sensibilities, guess what would win out? The same your child's safety would win out.

Which has a bigger potential.. a 7 year old molesting a girl scout troop member or a member of the community beating the fuck out of a transgender child because he dared to want to dress like a little girl.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 6:43:48 PM   
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Have you remotely thought about the blow up of the controversy because it was hidden and the DANGER it could put ALL of the kids in?  Or are you so focused on the one kid getting what she wants (i.e., to be in girl scouts).  Could you imagine one day realizing your daughter is in the middle of a controversy that you had no clue could occur simply because someone decided you didn't need to know about a situation that could blow up and from what yuou and others are saying into a DANGEROUS situation.  But it's okay for the transgender parents to know and realize this could happen and take steps to protect THEIR child, but other parents shouldn't be allow this knowledge and take steps to protect their children.  Keep the other parents ignorant of the possible danger and possible controversy as long as the transgender gets to be in GS and no one knows they are what most would acknowledge as a boy who is a girl.

I see how that works.   Again, i have no issue with transgender in GS, i do have an issue of non-disclosure to parents so they can take steps to protect, raise, deal with the situation as they see fit.

angel

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 8:12:44 PM   
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Have you remotely thought about the blow up of the controversy because it was hidden and the DANGER it could put ALL of the kids in? 


All of the kids?

Do explain to me how all the kids are in danger because of one transgender child.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 8:46:36 PM   
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Your the one saying how dangerous it is for it to be disclosed. So by logic any child involved in the situation is in fact being placed in a dangerous situation if this becomes known. Nevermind the fact that the parents at the very least know of the controversy this issue can cause. So by not disclosing the are pretty much dropping a bomb in the midst of Tge children without letting the parents aware it could blow up and include THEIR kids in same even indirectly. They are in fact placing these kids in danger without the parents being given the basic consideration of being told this.

Maybe some parents wouldnt want their kids to remain in a situation that could put them indirectly at the very least in the middle of controversy. Maybe the parents would believe based simply on information you yourself provided about the attacks on these people that they would want to risk their child becoming involved in such a possibility.

The fact you even asked the question tazzy tells me you arent even willing to see what you yourself brought up as possibly being a danger and hardship for children who are indirectly involved. Maybe parents don't want their kids involved in such a controversy and would choose to pull them before it happens. Maybe they would be fearful of retribution to their kids if the secret got out so they would choose to remove them before a bond could be formed.

But yeah let's protect one kid and leave the rest to chance. I opt for protecting all of them by f
Cluing the parents in and allowing them to decide for their children, just as the transponders parents get to do.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 8:55:39 PM   
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Dangerous to the child... and not just physically. How would the other children be in danger? When you say they would be in danger, you have to provide something beyond... well you said...

That doesnt work.

The other children wont deal with the same issues. How can they even attempt to understand what this one child is going through. How many parents do you think know its now a hate crime to attack a transgender person? How many other kids do you think give a damn?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-23/news/29484684_1_transgender-woman-advocacy-group-victim

It happens... simply because of who they are... no other reason.

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