barelynangel
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VioletGray,
First of all, your post doesn't address what i am SPEAKING about. The problem is each person who is obtuse as to what i am saying THINKS this is about a dick being in a little boy's shorts and it's not. Its about the idea some people will have that "MY" belief that every child involved is a girl. Period. And before people start going on and on about this and that about trans -- let's be real here -- a majority of people in the world when asked the difference between a boy and a girl will indicate a boy has a penis a girl has a vagina. But more so a MAJORITY of kids would say the same thing even the little ones. So to believe that most people even have a clue about transgenders in the sense of mentality, natural inclination etc is naive. So it seems MOST people's suggestion lol is to HIDE the fact Julie really is a johnny down there and hope for the best -- i.e., its never found out. Instead of educating people, bringing it out in the open, and DISCUSSING the situation so people are able to make the BEST decision for their kids -- which YES, MAY MEAN PULLING THEM OUT OF THE TROOP. I don't remember remotely saying -- though people must presume i mean -- that the kid MUST be identified in and of herself -- actually no, my whole idea here is that the parents be informed there is a transgendered girl within the troop. I didn't say put her on display, i didn't say chuck down her pants and show everyone, i said the PARENTS needed to be ADULTS -- hell i didn't even say that the parents should point out the kid to their kids. I guess in my idea in order for acceptance to be something that happens, the situation shouldn't be HIDDEN but talked about and people who AREN'T in agreement that a Julie who is a johnny down there should be in the troop should be ALLOWED to voice their opinon on the subject and take the BEST action for their children.
THIS is the ASSUMPTIONS people are making - that i am saying ohhh point out the kid and everyone stare. No, that's not what i am saying at all. My best hope is the parents have no need or want to identify the kid to the other kids, but instead they all are aware of the situation, they all discuss it, and in the end they all rally around to protect ALL of the kids from 1) the shock if they one day DO realize the fact and they can be prepared for it, 2) from any controversy that may explode around them, 3) to prepare that ALL of the kids may be bullied etc and they can help them deal with it, to the very least 4) being on the look out for possible problems. I mean parents have a RIGHT to do that for their kids.
Secondly, your comment about molested kids simply shock the fucking hell out of me. I am not going to even comment on the stupidity of it.
Finally, your comments on bullying make no sense.quote:
This one really hurts my brain. If someone is being bullied for being trans, then the problem is the bullying, not the trans kid. Let's follow the train of thought here, in order for the sentence above to be relevant one would actually have to think "I'd like to know if a little kid is trans, so I can pull my kid out of scouts before they make friends and my kid gets beat up with her." That's one thing that should be the kid's decision.
Throughout your posts you kept using words like "safety" and "Danger" regarding reasons for full disclosure. The implication here is that a maleness poses an inherent threat to the girls. If this is true then why are men allowed to be scout leaders? Let's use try this logic in other terms:
Actually only a fool would think that the parents have no right to know if their children are being placed in a situation that bullies may start in on them. Hell most of the bullying that occurs parents don't even KNOW about. So here, you have a situation wherein Tazzy was absolutely correct, bullying, attacks etc could possibly happen on this kid. Which also means that kids associated with this kid are also in the possibly realm of getting bullied or harmed because of their association.
PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMOVE THEIR CHILDREN FROM THAT SITUATION TO AVOID what they preceive as potential harm whether that harm be going against their beliefs or actual physical harm! The answer to the part of the quote i have emphasized with B, U, I -- is YES. And no, it isn't the kids decision if that kid is under the age of 18, IF the parents wish to make this decision for them, that is the PARENTS' right as well parents. That's the privileged of being a parent, you get to decide with whom your kids associate as much as your control will allow you too.
You don't HAVE to agree with them doing so, but if an administration knowingly places these kids in a situation wherein the little "secret" gets out and they get harmed, then that IS on the administration for not informing the parents of the potential situation and controversy of their decision.
Here's something you AREN'T getting -- i have no issue with the transgender kid being in GS, as a parent i would want to know about the potentially explosive situation so i can be prepared to HELP my child from any negative exposure if it's found out -- i.e., hell look at what the story is creating. But i DO see the side of other people who may not agree with this kid being in an all girls group -- FOR WHATEVER REASON, that is their right to DISAGREE with it and do what they think is best for their kids -- the side where because they aren't informed of what TG is and such, there are misunderstandings etc.
Instead of TEACHING and INFORMING, people think let's just hide it until such time that it is no longer hidden -- then you have people feeling like they were trying to sneak something past them and that their thoughts on the subject aren't relevant.
Yeah, then people wonder why the negativity comes about. Those who think it's okay tend to say well fuck those who says it's not, we will just slip it under their nose and they will never find out what we are doing -- until they do.
As for the danger and safety concept -- THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE. Fuck people, do you really have your heads so far in the ground in order to support TG that you are THIS obtuse as to what many people believe???? I mean you all aren't stupid to believe this. Talking to me as if i believe this is well stupid also because i don't -- i am however, speaking of MANY MANY people who are uninformed and things like a boy going through puberty even though he believes he is a girl is going to translate to many people that there is a BOY among the girls in an all girl setting.
THIS ignorance some people here seem to be displaying at what MANY people would think, believe etc about transgender is to me ultimately dangerous.
Sorry but the well they shouldn't believe that way because its not right mentality is well really stupid because the fact they DO believe that way means they aren't informed -- most probably because they never had to deal with the situation. Keeping the concept hidden and trying to slide it under their noses is as wrong as people making negative assumption about the TG kids.
Folks, you don't have to EXPLAIN it to me -- i have no issue with the TG -- what i do have an issue with is the administration remotely believing that it's okay to not inform the parents of the situation and allow those parents a voice and determinations for their children. I mean the GS could have easily held nationwide forums to discuss that they would be allowing TG's into the girl scouts. And then heard from all parents who took issue with it and parents who didn't and education could have been done and maybe some people ignorant of it could have learned something new, instead of hiding the situation -- a controversal one - until one day the child IS singled out because someone found out Julie really is a johnny down there.
I did say earlier that the parents of the troop should be allowed to know but i think it was more than that what i was thinking -- as i was thinking about personal privacy of the TG kids, i think a forum should have been done to advise of a decision of a possible controversal subject that the administration made. This way it would protect the actual privacy of the TG while informing parents of the situation. I still believe that parents should be informed.
This is a voluntary institution, and i believe people pay to be a part of it, and if they don't believe what the institution is doing, they have a right to be aware of what the decisions are and act accordingly for their kids. Yes, there are people out there who would pull their kids from GS for this very subject. While i don't agree with them, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO. So to not inform them to me, is people making decisions for their kids who are not their parents.
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< Message edited by barelynangel -- 1/13/2012 6:00:49 AM >
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