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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 9:14:27 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Tazzy we both know based simply how you post that if anyone dared place your child in a situation that could explode into controversy without telling you - you would freak. Same with people knowingly allowing your child to associate with someone without telling you that someone may try and harm that person.

So let's not play dumb as to what I am speaking about here. And no I wont be reading you little research links. Why? Because you are playing semantics throwing around ideas and then not liking when they are turned back on u.

If there is danger to the tg, there is danger of bullying, violence etc to any child seen associating with them especially as friends. To me parents have a right to be aware of this possibility due to a decision the administration has made. So if this secret the tg is keeping has a chance of causing negativity on the surrounding kids the parents have a right to be aware of same, just as the tg's parents are aware.

As you know you would freak if someone made a decision to keep u in the dark, especially if it's something u may not agree with... The same thing goes here. The only thing I am addressing is I don't think it's correct to leave parents in the dark especially when it could all blow up if the secret is found out. The only difference here is u think this is okay because u agree with the kid bring a part of GS. Welll I do too, but I see the secrecy of it From the parents as wrong.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 9:42:16 PM   
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Tazzy we both know based simply how you post that if anyone dared place your child in a situation that could explode into controversy without telling you - you would freak. Same with people knowingly allowing your child to associate with someone without telling you that someone may try and harm that person.


You obviously do not know me well. I dont consider a transgender child a threat to my own child. I would consider the nut bags for other parents a threat. But why should that child pay for the inability of others to restrain themselves?

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To me parents have a right to be aware of this possibility due to a decision the administration has made. So if this secret the tg is keeping has a chance of causing negativity on the surrounding kids the parents have a right to be aware of same, just as the tg's parents are aware.


And to me, it would be none of your business if my child is a male who was, for all intents and purposes, a female.

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As you know you would freak if someone made a decision to keep u in the dark, especially if it's something u may not agree with... The same thing goes here. The only thing I am addressing is I don't think it's correct to leave parents in the dark especially when it could all blow up if the secret is found out. The only difference here is u think this is okay because u agree with the kid bring a part of GS. Welll I do too, but I see the secrecy of it From the parents as wrong.


And I see the secrecy as the parents protecting their child.. just as I would mine. I have more worries than what a 7 year old might do... like what a 14 year old might do when he found out about the 7 year old because someone decided their "right to know" superseded the child's "right to privacy".

Its best if we agree to disagree and move on. I cannot hold these parents accountable because they wished to not only protect the child's privacy, but also the child's life. There is a fear the child might be found out. There is a bigger fear if everyone knows.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 10:43:41 PM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		If like me, you are unable to buy cookies to show your support, there's a petition you can sign to thank the Girls Scouts for their tolerant and inclusive policy. Please consider giving a few seconds of your time to help make the world a more tolerant loving place for children. Thanks.


http://www.change.org/petitions/girl-scouts-of-the-usa-thank-you-for-supporting-equality



And thanks to tazzy for finding the correct link after I posted an incorrect link in the other thread!

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 10:58:19 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		The man said we are gonna buy more this year... then donate the cookies. neither of us need them!

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 11:21:45 PM   
GreedyTop


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Status: offline 		I'm finally living somewhere that I have a chance of getting some. Lots of kids around here! YAY!

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 11:33:39 PM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		Send them to me! They're unavailable here in Oz. I'll go up a size in solidarity !!!

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 11:42:42 PM   
GreedyTop


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/12/2012 11:56:08 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		They last a little while unopened... I would be more worried about them confiscating them before tweak ever sees em.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:07:40 AM   
VioletGray


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel


I wouldn't be pissed there was a transgender boy among the  girls, i would be pissed that people took MY ability to make informed choices for MY daughter out of MY hands because they felt the choice of the transgender's boy's parents was more important than my own for my daughter.

Yeah, rah rah, you have a boy/girl wanting to live as the opposite gender, however, if by doing so they are secret and taking away the choices of others because they keep it secret -- sorry that doesn't wash with me.

Yeah, i would be really irritated that someone decided to take away MY choice of making a determination with full disclosure. 

Yes, i know it can be scary and dangerous for transgenders but if they want acceptance to me being secret about it and taking away the ability of others to make decisions based on full disclosure -- isn't the way to gain acceptance.



Your right to make informed decisions ends at violating the rights of other people. You DO realize that what you're saying is "In order to make me feel safe, I need to know what's inside each girlscout's panties." Don't you? Some things are NOT your right to know.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

i know about the stigma, but in the end, your concerns for this one child's safety supersede's other parents' concerns about the other children's safety?   I mean what about children who are molested and they feel girl scouts are a place of safety for them simply because there are no boys.  Then they find out that Julie is really Johnny. 


A girl who has been molested needs therapy and counseling, not badges and basket weaving. Besides, how do they find this out, exactly?





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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

If there is danger to the tg, there is danger of bullying, violence etc to any child seen associating with them especially as friends. To me parents have a right to be aware of this possibility due to a decision the administration has made. So if this secret the tg is keeping has a chance of causing negativity on the surrounding kids the parents have a right to be aware of same, just as the tg's parents are aware.




This one really hurts my brain. If someone is being bullied for being trans, then the problem is the bullying, not the trans kid. Let's follow the train of thought here, in order for the sentence above to be relevant one would actually have to think "I'd like to know if a little kid is trans, so I can pull my kid out of scouts before they make friends and my kid gets beat up with her." That's one thing that should be the kid's decision.

Throughout your posts you kept using words like "safety" and "Danger" regarding reasons for full disclosure. The implication here is that a maleness poses an inherent threat to the girls. If this is true then why are men allowed to be scout leaders? Let's use try this logic in other terms:


"We have to keep the zombies at bay. I don't think they should mingle with the townsfolk. That having been said, we also made the biggest, strongest zombie mayor of the town."

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:08:21 AM   
GreedyTop


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Status: offline 		*giggle* I would add a note to the package:

"customs personnel: I have included and extra box of cookies for you. Please assure that the rest get to the intended recipient. Thank you"

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:09:54 AM   
tazzygirl


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:16:46 AM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the thoughts guys! Please give them to someone who needs them more than me. tazzy.

Is this thread CM at its best? Almost everyone agreeing about something ... and lotsa people taking positive action for a better world too!

What's not to love about that?

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:18:41 AM   
GreedyTop


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ya SURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE ya don't want some??

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:23:45 AM   
tweakabelle


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Thanks for signing Greedy Top (and if you keep offering me cookies you might have to rethink your nick! )

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 12:30:56 AM   
tweakabelle


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quote:

Violet Gray
This one really hurts my brain. If someone is being bullied for being trans, then the problem is the bullying, not the trans kid.


This is so true! Penalising little Bobby is the one sure way to guarantee that the problem is never addressed, and the bullying is encouraged to continue ad infinitum.

Hate should never be rewarded.

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 1:01:07 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		To be sure that I'm on topic, I would like to state for the record that My weight is not acceptable at this time for Me to eat cookies.  Even if I could give Myself an allowance to eat some cookies, I probably wouldn't be willing to incur the expense for Girl Scout cookies.  Yes, they are good tasting cookies.  Yes, I get that the excuse for being ridiculously overpriced is that the sales are specifically to benefit the organization.  I'm still not spending four dollars a box for them.

(Have I satisfied the requirement of staying on topic to talk about cookies?  Oh good.  We've established that I've talked about cookies.)

I hope people will excuse Me for pointing out what I see as the obvious similarities to this thread here.  http://www.collarchat.com/m_3970842/tm.htm  That's a really long thread with over three hundred responses.  For anybody who doesn't want to go through the trouble of going to those lengths to read the whole thing, the original post on that thread is a link to a news article about a few Girl Scout leaders.  Those two or three adults came to the decision that they would prefer to step down due to the policy that the Girl Scouts had regarding allowing entry to "anyone who identifies as a girl".

Now we have this thread about a Girl Scout who posted a youtube video about more or less the same subject.  A different perspective, of course, because from watching it, she's obviously a Girl Scout, rather than a troop leader.  She's got quite a few pins on her sash there.  Seems like she's been a member for a long time.

Between the two threads, I'm left with a question.  Is there anything that a person who doesn't agree with the decision of the Girl Scouts in this matter can say (literally or figuratively) other than "shut up and like it" that is acceptable?

Here's what I saw.  After the decision of the Girl Scout Administration came down, there were a few adults who no longer wanted to volunteer with the organization because they did not agree with the direction it was going.  When faced with that decision, what does a person do?  If, for whatever reason, a person can't reconcile their personal beliefs with the policy of a greater organization, what is the best option?

Now here comes a person who has been a girl scout for a number of years.  One who maybe isn't as willing to throw away her obvious investment as being a member of GS.  What are her options?  Sure, she could quit and give up everything she worked for.  She could shut up and take it and know that she was supporting an organization that she no longer believed in. 

There's a part of this that I don't understand.  When it came to issues concerning TG persons, we didn't say tolerate the status quo.  As a society, we said to speak up and voice what a person didn't agree with.  So, now that things are the other way around, the principles change?

One of the cornerstones of freedom of speech is summarized in a very simplistic expression.  It says, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".  There's no additional specification that says, "only if you're right" or "only if I agree with you".  It doesn't say you should only speak up if you are fighting the majority, or going against privilege.  The spirit of the concept says any person should have a voice and that concept is supposed to be important to us.

A fact that can not be escaped.  There was some point back there when we said the status quo said that every girl in Girl Scouts had to have girl parts.  The change between then and now didn't happen because nobody stood up and said what they believed.  If you agree with that, you must also accept that it works the other way around.  The concept of debate doesn't say that one side gets to present their position and the other side must be silent.  Instead, both sides must be presented so that the outside observers can make a decision for themselves.


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 1:41:12 AM   
GreedyTop


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one thing I noticed about Taylor (ok, here's a girl with a traditionally boy name, but I digress) is that there was duct tape on her sash, obviously covering up SOMETHING.

if she is so dedicated to her views, and if her views were shared with the rest of her troop (or even with most of the GSA), why did she feel it necessary to apply the duct tape?

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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 4:22:45 AM   
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Whether people like it or not or society has gender definitions and I will not agree that someone else has the right to force MY hand by keeping a boy biologically among girls in an all girl setting do one day Suzy comes home saying mommy Julie has a peeped and says he is still a girl.


I was in girl scouts from the brownies through seniors and I can honestly say that I have no idea if the girls in my troops were really girls or not. But then again we never got undressed in front of each other so it wasn't an issue. Now maybe meeting have changed, but unless Suzy is spying on Julie in the bathroom, I doubt it would be an issue.


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 4:26:12 AM   
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Tazzy we both know based simply how you post that if anyone dared place your child in a situation that could explode into controversy without telling you - you would freak. Same with people knowingly allowing your child to associate with someone without telling you that someone may try and harm that person.


Actually based on everything I have seen her post, I would guess she would have no problem finding out there was a tg in her kids troop. In fact I would guess she would be supportive of the kid. Funny how different people read things differently.


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RE: Dammit! I was going to diet, but NOW I must buy gir... - 1/13/2012 4:59:25 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Boi, go back and read what I said. I never said she would have a fit because a tg was involved. What I said was if she found out someone placed her kid in a situation of controversy, possible danger, or involving something she didn't approve of and/or disagreed with and kept her in the dark. She would hit the roof.

Don't try the bs on me or be obtuse to what I am saying. This kid like it or not is a controversial issue. Parents MAY have an issue with their children being involved. The fact people are playing - I say playing because I know they know what I am speaking about they just don't like the idea of it - dumb is why situations like this cant seem to be discussed.

Anyone who disagrees is someone who MUST be being against tg.

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