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tazzygirl -> RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. "Pro Coathanger Death" (2/2/2012 9:28:05 PM)
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I love how you like to absolve all women of any responsibility in the equation other than the final decision on abortion, it has to be the man's job to decide whether sex occurs in the first place and to provide for any sort of contraception
Show me where I absolved any woman of the responsibility for birth control. You really should read better. Jumping to assumptions.. well... seems hardly worth it.
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Both parties are equally responsible
Yup
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both parties deserve an equal say
Nope
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otherwise it's just sexist and unfair
Can a man have an abortion or give birth? No. The whole issue is sexist and fair doesnt play into the equation at all.
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Now admittedly I fully support the idea that a woman should be allowed to choose wether she has a child or not, but a man should be able to choose if he is to pay child support by the same virtues on the basis of a prebirth opt out that denies him both any right to custody and any responsibility for the general welfare and support of the child, that would be an example of something that would make the equation fair, after all why should either party be forced to do anything they really don't believe is correct?
As I posted... grab a lawyer and get a "no fault" clause worked up. Have the woman sign it, and I will back you 100%. Until that time, it is your responsibility, per the law, regardless of your wishes to the contrary.
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the alternative of course is that women hold all the power of reproduction unless someone haymakers them in the stomache or tosses them down some stairs, which although I don't support I do see the validity of simply because 6 to 12 months in prison for domestic abuse is a hell of alot less problematic than 18 years of child support. I guess what I'm saying is, equality must be established, the alternative is hellish for one or the other party.
So your whole argument is down to bitching about child support payments?
I got news for you. I had mine. 25 years old... and I raised him without a penny from his father. That was MY choice. I didnt ask, he didnt offer. I made the choice not to abort. I also made the choice not to ask for money. I also had a family and a career that allowed me to do so.
Its about choices, and what the law allows. You dont like the law? Then get it changed. Im sure 1000's of dead beat parents would applaud you.
Until that time, maybe if men remembered when they leave that little gift behind they could possibly be leaving their wallets as well, they wouldn't be so hot to get in the sack.
That works both ways as well. While you are complaining about paying support for a child you didnt want, you werent complaining when you were making that child.
Yeah, it sucks to be on that end of a payment plan you didnt expect. For decades women had to deal with that issue on their own while the men pranced off to college and their careers. It sucks that the pendulum swung backwards.
Sex is great, sex is lovely, sex has consequences. You know the consequences before having sex. Buyer's remorse doesnt work in this situation.
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