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Skuggi -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:11:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

skuggie, where is it that I'm trying to dominant the young lady that is the OP? She asked for opinions. I gave mine. No where am I telling her she can't do this or she can't say that?

Now, the other young lady that decided I was taking my post totally out of context, yes, I told her to proverbially shut her yap and pay attention so that she can make a more informed posting on my post.


Dear Mr.D.
You said it yourself in the bolded text.

Resting my case :-)




angelface183 -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:12:45 PM)

Skuggi,

Once again you misunderstand.  The "conversation" in question is the hypothetical one that the OP quite hypothetically might have been interrupting.  Hence the advice given by MrDiscipline.




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:21:08 PM)

It does no good, angel. He doesn't understand and he doesn't want to understand. What skuggie fails to understand about debates is that you actually listen to and try to understand the person you're debating. Not just making statements that have little or no basis on anything and making oneself look foolish.




juliaoceania -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:23:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LindaLashes

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ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx


I have been asked to reiterate my inital post - I hope this makes more sense


I would say that I am someone that is slightly self opinionated and I like to be in a position where I can speak my mind, I have found that I have sometimes been reprimanded by Doms because of this. Has anyone else come across this and how do you feel is the best way of dealing with someone that believes women/subs should be seen and not heard?



Hmm, a dom reprimanding you for talking? Is he YOUR Dom?? A Dom behaving like that is really close to a Dom trying to control a sub that doesn´t belong to him, it´s just rude, unacceptable and a bit stupid.



Actually if  I was conversing with anyone that interupted me constantly, felt their point more valid than my own, was waiting until I finished talking so they could make their point without addressing what I said... well lets just say I would see that PERSON as being  rude whether dom or sub. To tell someone they are being rude and should await their turn to express their opinion is not wrong, it is trying to educate someone on manners. If it were me and SEVERAL dom/mes reprimmanded me on how I expressed my opinion I would do some reflection on the impression I gave them.. but that is me and I could be wrong




Tikkiee -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:24:24 PM)

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I'm sorry - but I don't respect people who cannot debate

In that case, you obviously have no respect for yourself. 
 
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  or is my eyesight failing?

No. But I would definitly argue that your ability to read, comprehend and assimilate has.




Skuggi -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:35:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

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I'm sorry - but I don't respect people who cannot debate

In that case, you obviously have no respect for yourself.

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or is my eyesight failing?

No. But I would definitly argue that your ability to read, comprehend and assimilate has.


Thank you for your input into my life - guess you know more about me then I do myself, nice to know you can read me and my thoughts better then me.

Anyway - this is pointless to argue with you guys - others before me have pointed out same opinion but you insist on going on.

But anyway - I fullu understand what has been said, and am I the only one not EDITING their orginal posts and therefor their first answears.

I'm not going to waste my time in argument with people who use edit more then others.




Tikkiee -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:46:03 PM)

/sigh
Oh well. I was really hoping that you would get off your ego trip and actually read, and comprehend what had been written here. Unfortunatly, it seems that it will not be so.
 
Yes, this is nothing more than an electronic board. And yes, on a public forum, EVERYONE has the right to speak up and state where they stand. However, you should go back and notice that those of us who stressed not doing so, were advocating such from a perspective of  REAL LIVE CONVERSATION. As in face to face. Several of us even asked for clarification as to which venue the young lady was referring to.
It is apparant though that you feel such clarification is not needed. Once again, I wish you the best in your endeavors.




Skuggi -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 2:57:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

/sigh
Oh well. I was really hoping that you would get off your ego trip and actually read, and comprehend what had been written here. Unfortunatly, it seems that it will not be so.

Yes, this is nothing more than an electronic board. And yes, on a public forum, EVERYONE has the right to speak up and state where they stand. However, you should go back and notice that those of us who stressed not doing so, were advocating such from a perspective of REAL LIVE CONVERSATION. As in face to face. Several of us even asked for clarification as to which venue the young lady was referring to.
It is apparant though that you feel such clarification is not needed. Once again, I wish you the best in your endeavors.

Dear Tikkiee.

This is what I call an honest answear :-)
The thing is - this young lady has to answear about the venue....and she is not online.
But the point I tryed to make is this:
Males are usually very dom against females for example in this forum and that stoneage bahavior should not be allowed in here.

Respectfully and hopefully understood finally,
Skuggi




dogobedience -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 3:02:48 PM)

MY point of view is this.............weak people are affraid of others........they ATTEMPT to control by keeping you quite!!!

As a dom I expect you to know when to speak, and when to be quite. BUT to not let you ask permission to express you ideas and thoughts is a mark of a WEAK MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 




LindaLashes -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 3:33:34 PM)

True, interrupting ones speech in a conversation is annoying and rude if it happens often, but, trying to use ones "Dom" status to shut a sub up and lecturing about "proper sub behaviour" to subs that aren´t owned by anyone...  Ego/powertripping dom/mes should maybe relax a bit if they can´t have respect for a sub... 




NCSilverWolves -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 3:53:57 PM)

It constantly amazes me where some peoples minds are on the whole concept of BDSM... D/s...M/s...S/m. No one gives up any thing unless they want to and it's all spelled out up front. Everything is give and take. Shared and shared some more. Without one, there's no other. With out "this" there is no "that".

Oh ....and no ones dominating someone else here on the forums .... that doesn't want to be dominated. A male telling a female to shut up because they're talking out their ass..(if thats the case that is) ....is not dominating. Hell ..... i'm not topping or trying to dominate a dom when I tell him to stfu he's  full of shit... geeeezz..... leave the bullshit for the dungeons and parties...on here.... everyones just people... specially when it's just a debte...and or.. conversation.




pinkee -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 4:14:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

It does no good, angel. He doesn't understand and he doesn't want to understand. What skuggie fails to understand about debates is that you actually listen to and try to understand the person you're debating. Not just making statements that have little or no basis on anything and making oneself look foolish.


In order for a debate to occur, MrDiscipline, both sides must listen to the other.  i believe You may be overlooking the attention slut factor on these boards.  JMHO.
 
pinkee




Tikkiee -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 5:04:35 PM)

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Dear Tikkiee.

This is what I call an honest answear :-)
The thing is - this young lady has to answear about the venue....and she is not online.
But the point I tryed to make is this:
Males are usually very dom against females for example in this forum and that stoneage bahavior should not be allowed in here.

Respectfully and hopefully understood finally,
Skuggi

Very true. She has not specified the venue to which she was referring.
 
And I agree with you in the respect that yes, there are dominants who act in a very, shall we say...inapproiate way [:)]...when  conversing with submissives/slaves on sites such as this. And I agree that no one, should ever be treated in such a way by strangers.
Your words were not misunderstood; let it suffice to say that our words became tangled [:)]
I do hope that I caused no offense; that was not my intention.




zumala -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 5:17:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx


I have been asked to reiterate my inital post - I hope this makes more sense


I would say that I am someone that is slightly self opinionated and I like to be in a position where I can speak my mind, I have found that I have sometimes been reprimanded by Doms because of this. Has anyone else come across this and how do you feel is the best way of dealing with someone that believes women/subs should be seen and not heard?



I suppose it would depend on whether or not you were rude about how you stated your opinion.  There's a rude and a polite way to say just about anything.  Now... if someone just out of the blue states that they think women should be seen and not heard...  I'd probably give a semi-polite refute and then ignore him.  You're not submissive to just any Dom/me on the forum.  But if you've been rude to someone, well then... you deserve a little chewing out.
 
Hope this helps.  [:)]
 
zuma




Skuggi -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 5:25:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

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Dear Tikkiee.

This is what I call an honest answear :-)
The thing is - this young lady has to answear about the venue....and she is not online.
But the point I tryed to make is this:
Males are usually very dom against females for example in this forum and that stoneage bahavior should not be allowed in here.

Respectfully and hopefully understood finally,
Skuggi

Very true. She has not specified the venue to which she was referring.

And I agree with you in the respect that yes, there are dominants who act in a very, shall we say...inapproiate way [:)]...when conversing with submissives/slaves on sites such as this. And I agree that no one, should ever be treated in such a way by strangers.
Your words were not misunderstood; let it suffice to say that our words became tangled [:)]
I do hope that I caused no offense; that was not my intention.

None taken :-)
Words can often start to tango with each other in a unpredictable manner and lead to chaos.

Skuggi




Sinergy -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 5:32:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

It's  not being naughty it's called free will - don't get me wrong I know some women like being told what to do hey so do I well sometimes  anyway - but when I speak out of turn as Iwas told I should know when to stay quiet sorry can't know what I likes and likes what I know.....
But I would liketo hear opinions and veiws


I can only speak for myself, but I get hot and bothered when a woman has a well thought out and researched opinion which I
can learn from.  I am not intimidated by other people's ideas at all.

Plus, if she is judgemental it gives me ample reason to give her a spanking.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

Sinergy




slaverosebeauty -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 5:53:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx
It's  not being naughty it's called free will - don't get me wrong I know some women like being told what to do hey so do I well sometimes  anyway - but when I speak out of turn as I was told I should know when to stay quiet sorry can't know what I likes and likes what I know.....


[sm=applause.gif] Are you telepathic? You are reading my mind, I didn't see your forum before I posted mine on strength and submission; they go hand in hand. I will admit, I am of the 'traditional' slavery thought, where 'micro-management' is kinda common place, but, I speak my mind regardless of how much control I give to another, thats what makes me me, its my spirit and what makes me 'attractive' to strong Masters.

Don't let anyone get rid of your spunk.  :o)




diamonddreamlove -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 6:37:57 PM)

Speaking out of turn can mean so many things.  For me speaking out of turn would be during a session and not obeying and answering back disrespectfully.  And (in my sub opinion) no Dom worth His salt will allow that, however i do not make play dates with Those that can not respect me enough to also allow me to speak my mind at the appropriate time.  There again i prefer  Doms that are bright and have a sense of humor as well.  Hmmmmm. 




CollaredProperty -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/3/2006 7:01:33 PM)

I speak my mind, until I give my mind, body and soul to a Master




enigmabrat -> RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind and when we have an opinion (6/4/2006 5:36:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

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ORIGINAL: enigmabrat
OMG lol
this isnt the 1950's and we arent childrent that should be seen and not heard I hate when people think that because we are subs we are less and dont deserve to be treated as equals... grrr
I know it's difficult, but you should actually try to read posts. Nowhere in my post did I mention dominants or submissives. I'm talking about people and manners. If you act like a child, you'll be treated as a child. Act like a petulant child and you'll be treated like a petulant child. I hate when people don't actually read a post the way it is written and try to find something aminous in it. Now, if you stay your little fingers and actually read the post, you may actually learn something.


Im Sorry Sir :(
Ill try harder in the future




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