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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:29:58 AM   
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there will be little interest in "womens rights" by women who are hard put to feed their families and are looking around for a 50s style working family oriented man


Have anybody particular in mind?


Nope. Unless you are looking for the "job", you look "fifties".

Personal. Very personal. Baaaad Arturas.

How do you know I wasn't referring to "women who are hard put to feed their families"?

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:38:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just had a thought.........maybe all of those old fat politicians are hoping the single mothers really will turn to prostitution. The old fat politician's wives (if they have a brain in their heads) will have dumped them for trashing on women. The guys will be looking for some punani and I doubt they will be getting much based upon their charming dispositions.

It's a master plot to increase the number of desperate, single mother, prostitutes!

Of course, since contraception will be illegal, abortion will be illegal, there won't be any government assistance for the unwanted kids.....

OH YEAH!!!!!!! The Ron solution! BLOWJOBS!

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:38:19 AM   
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I'll ask again, DS , why just sex?


Gee, let's see. The lifestyle choices we are making here, on this board, have an awful lot to do with sex, do they not? Add into that, the allegations Hilary made, and you wonder why I'm talking about sex?

Had this post originated as a discussion of energy subsidies and tax cuts, that would be how I tailored my responses. So, I turn it back to you and ask, "why not just sex in a thread that is about sex?"

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Why not have tax payer assisted plans, like Medicaid, refuse diabetes treatment to obese patients? They made bad food decisions, after all, so fuck 'em. Or refuse treatment for respiratory ailments to smokers? The dumb asses shouldn't have smoked. I would guess that the health care costs for obesity and smoking far outstrips the cost of paying for birth control.


So, it's all about "cost-savings" then? What happens when costs continue to rise? What then? Do you not see where this ends? Do you not see how there will be no stopping that spiral?

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Birth control, in fact, results in health care cost savings, since pregnancy is expensive. Yes, I know you think women should keep their legs closed, but in the real world I doubt even the most hardened person would say that women should be denied medical care for pregnancy if they can't afford to pay for it themselves.
Hell, why not take it a step farther and require people who receive public assistance to post a daily food log, so we can all critique their food choices? Personally, I find it more offensive that my tax dollars go towards buying unhealthy processed food than birth control.


Excellent reductio ad absurdum. The only scary part is that it's not all that far fetched.

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My guess is, you are not getting any, so you expect others should be celibate too. Doesn't work that way in the real world. Your limiting all this " responsibility or pay for yourself" talk to sex, though, is pretty incredible, in light of the fact that so many medical conditions are related to bad choices. Guess you don't have the same hang ups about food that you do about sex, though.


Glad to see you can keep things impersonal. Oddly enough, I do eat more often that I have sex, but I'm willing to bet that I'm in the vast majority there. Plus, since I've stopped "not getting any," my beliefs have altered 0%.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:40:19 AM   
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Id like to know how many years these chaps have worn a condom every time they have sex., or had the snip after their family making was done, Ive had to take birth control every day for YEARS, AND im sterile.
Preventative health care is called that for a reason, it prevents a pregnancy and it eliminates a lot of other issues.Please dont tell me preventative care like cholesterol tablets, angina medication, Diabetes and High BP medication aren covered..... It prevents the condition from getting worse or developing more problems. To say BC doesnt is a semantic bullshit attempt
PS , for the person who claimed this war on women is "following "slutgate". You havent got a bloody clue about all the other bills that have been discussed her since 2010???
do your damn research before you attempt to try and make it all about limpdicks rant.


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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:40:48 AM   
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I swear I hve seen this paragraph at the bottom of the screen on a Quicken Loans Commercial...


Huh?

Just what accusations are you making here?

Are you suggesting that Quicken Loans has been using a time machine and the Vulcan mind meld to steal ideas from me?

I smell law suit.

Do you think I have a case?


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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:41:28 AM   
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I wonder how the little woman survived on her own without any of those government 'entitlements'...


She got married to a man.

Since humans began (almost) men and women have been involved in a contractual situation.

Men (generally) have a surplus of "strong back". They hunted and fought off invaders etc. If they weren't successful at these things ...

Women had the market cornered on reproduction. They sought out the man that could take care of them to the standard they expected and, when they found that man, she allowed him to reproduce with her and thus, ensure the continuation of his line.

If a man hunted well and protected his woman well, he was rewarded with sex (children). If a woman gave a man sex (children), she was rewarded with food and security.

In the 60s and 70s, this all changed. Women demanded (and got) the ability to begin to start competing with men for "mans' jobs". Eventually, their salaries increased to start becoming competetive with men's salaries. In fact, in major cities, women, under 30 make 8% more than their male counter-parts.

So, what it comes down to is: Men, in some peoples' view, are no longer necessary. They've become disposable. They can be treated like shit and become new castrates because there's no negative ramification to doing otherwise.

Women are still in control of reproduction and men no longer have the market cornered on "strong backs".



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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:44:53 AM   
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I wonder how the little woman survived on her own without any of those government 'entitlements'...



I can tell you. If they were married to a working guy they lived in a suburb and were housewives. There was one car but that was ok cause there was then one car payment and less gas to buy. If they were a single mom, a rarity then one out of 50 mothers were single if that, they lived next door to their mother in a duplex their uncle owned so when there was no rent they would not be out in the cold with her sons. They had little in the way of luxuries, they had a TV but went to the laundry mat to wash clothes and their clothes were few but clean always and mended and they were happy but did miss having a father and a man around the house. They walked most everywhere and carried things doing it because they did not have a car. But they did not really need one cause they took the cab to the supermarket once a week or to the laundry and that was fine. At times she worked two jobs to make ends meet and she was too proud to take food stamps when they became available. She eventually went to nursing school on her own money and then got a job at the local hosptial and then could buy a used Renault car and she loved it. We were happy. We were also happy when she found a new man who then took good care of us and she could focus on us and her and him and not a job or bills and doing without. Government support was not wanted or available except for food stamps but she did not miss them and very much rejected them without being "told" or controlled. She had rights but never considered someone elses money a "right".

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:45:26 AM   
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" The ones that make the choices and take the actions are the ones who should bear the responsibility of the consequences (good or bad) of those choices and actions. Period. "
I`d rather someone to poor to afford the 3 grand a year for contraception pills get them for free over footing the bill for raising a kid or kids to adulthood.
And the notion that people will and should stop having sex..............is as stupid as it is naive.The world doesn`t work that way,it`s not a con-fantasy land where cons get to bully others and play make pretend.


Oh, so people have no control, then? People can't control themselves? If that is what you are saying, then there can be no consent, as we are all driven solely by our loins. I'm sorry you don't carry the same beliefs in the power of the human mind that I do, but if people can't control themselves, make good decisions, and be responsible, isn't it nothing more than enabling them when we allow the responsibilities to be shifted off those making the decisions?

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Now if the stupid people want to take this further down Asshole Lane and say that the kid(s) must suffer the "consequences" b/c of the parents and through no fault of their own(outside of being born),then you`ve stepped out of "my rights" into hurting others and normal Americans aren`t going to let that happen.


So, what you are saying is that if two people aren't responsible to care for their scion, it is "my" fault, or that "I" am hurting them?

I think I would find your explanation and proof of that most interesting.


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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:46:19 AM   
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Although I am going to cut you some slack since you are rather new around here.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:47:40 AM   
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This is exactly what I've been saying for some time now. Nothing fights harder, is nastier, than a dumb animal that's been cornered and is facing death.


I am quite convinced that the majority of fundamentalists, deep down in their heart, don't actually believe the nonsense they profess to believe... but they have never know anything else and besides, most people don't have the guts to admit they were wrong about something (another unpleasant fact of human nature). Few people fight harder than those defending cherished delusions. I could be wrong, but I just don't see how anyone could actually believe in the whole six days to create the earth, virgin gives birth to baby, merciful god burns people forever bs.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:49:30 AM   
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I wonder how the little woman survived on her own without any of those government 'entitlements'...



I can tell you. If they were married to a working guy they lived in a suburb and were housewives. There was one car but that was ok cause there was then one car payment and less gas to buy. If they were a single mom, a rarity then one out of 50 mothers were single if that, they lived next door to their mother in a duplex their uncle owned so when there was no rent they would not be out in the cold with her sons. They had little in the way of luxuries, they had a TV but went to the laundry mat to wash clothes and their clothes were few but clean always and mended and they were happy but did miss having a father and a man around the house. They walked most everywhere and carried things doing it because they did not have a car. But they did not really need one cause they took the cab to the supermarket once a week or to the laundry and that was fine. At times she worked two jobs to make ends meet and she was too proud to take food stamps when they became available. She eventually went to nursing school on her own money and then got a job at the local hosptial and then could buy a used Renault car and she loved it. We were happy. We were also happy when she found a new man who then took good care of us and she could focus on us and her and him and not a job or bills and doing without. Government support was not wanted or available except for food stamps but she did not miss them and very much rejected them without being "told" or controlled. She had rights but never considered someone elses money a "right".



I am confused Arty. Per the bolded part, I could swear your words are from the woman's perspective before knowing you.

And I am also questioning, when SHE was single and working these two jobs, paying for her education and supporting these kids allllll by herself with no government assistance. How was medical and dental care for the kids and the woman paid for?

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:51:14 AM   
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I wonder how the little woman survived on her own without any of those government 'entitlements'...



I can tell you. If they were married to a working guy they lived in a suburb and were housewives. There was one car but that was ok cause there was then one car payment and less gas to buy. If they were a single mom, a rarity then one out of 50 mothers were single if that, they lived next door to their mother in a duplex their uncle owned so when there was no rent they would not be out in the cold with her sons. They had little in the way of luxuries, they had a TV but went to the laundry mat to wash clothes and their clothes were few but clean always and mended and they were happy but did miss having a father and a man around the house. They walked most everywhere and carried things doing it because they did not have a car. But they did not really need one cause they took the cab to the supermarket once a week or to the laundry and that was fine. At times she worked two jobs to make ends meet and she was too proud to take food stamps when they became available. She eventually went to nursing school on her own money and then got a job at the local hosptial and then could buy a used Renault car and she loved it. We were happy. We were also happy when she found a new man who then took good care of us and she could focus on us and her and him and not a job or bills and doing without. Government support was not wanted or available except for food stamps but she did not miss them and very much rejected them without being "told" or controlled. She had rights but never considered someone elses money a "right".



I am confused Arty. Per the bolded part, I could swear your words are from the woman's perspective before knowing you.


... or perhaps of a son very proud of his mother.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:53:25 AM   
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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:54:17 AM   
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"The ones that make the choices and take the actions are the ones who should bear the responsibility of the consequences (good or bad) of those choices and actions. Period.

Yeah, that's the kind of attitude I understand Jesus hates.


Now, religion is being brought in? Seriously? You actually believe that Jesus would support people not taking responsibility for themselves?

And, you think Jesus meant that Government taxing us to take of the less fortunate was the "charity" He told us to provide? That is so fucking ridiculous.

Hey, I have an idea (my very own reductio ad absurdum), why not just export all our poor and disadvantaged to Sweden where they'll be taken care of? Wouldn't that lower our taxes because we'd only have to buy one-way tickets for them? Talk about a strategy to lower our taxes and reduce our poverty and entitlement populations.

Btw, I do not support shipping people out.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 11:56:26 AM   
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Btw, I do not support shipping people out.


I'd pay for some to be put on a slow boat. LOL



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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 12:00:49 PM   
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PS , for the person who claimed this war on women is "following "slutgate". You havent got a bloody clue about all the other bills that have been discussed her since 2010???
do your damn research before you attempt to try and make it all about limpdicks rant.


Not sure if you are referring to me, but my "slutgate" comment was that Clinton was using the media frenzy over "slutgate" to help her whip her audience in a frenzy. If it wasn't me you were referring to, well, I still stand by my comment.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 12:03:58 PM   
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Btw, I do not support shipping people out.


I'd pay for some to be put on a slow boat. LOL



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Some, already ARE on a slow boat.........they are just too slow to know.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 12:10:48 PM   
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You want total control over the decisions about your own health and body? Fine. Don't ask anyone else to pay for it. You choose. You pay. Agreed?

Don't even go there. 

Just.  Don't.


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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 12:16:41 PM   
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PS , for the person who claimed this war on women is "following "slutgate". You havent got a bloody clue about all the other bills that have been discussed her since 2010???
do your damn research before you attempt to try and make it all about limpdicks rant.


Not sure if you are referring to me, but my "slutgate" comment was that Clinton was using the media frenzy over "slutgate" to help her whip her audience in a frenzy. If it wasn't me you were referring to, well, I still stand by my comment.

what you actually said, was
"this froth is more likely to be about birth control (also accounting for the recent "SlutGate" flap with Limbaugh). "
I m not touching the clinton history.

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RE: Don’t Tread on Us....... - 3/16/2012 4:55:05 PM   
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Hillary Clinton:
“Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me,” she told an adoring crowd at the Women in the World Summit at Lincoln Center on Saturday. “But they all seem to. It doesn’t matter what country they’re in or what religion they claim. They want to control women. They want to control how we dress. They want to control how we act. They even want to control the decisions we make about our own health and bodies.

You want total control over the decisions about your own health and body? Fine. Don't ask anyone else to pay for it. You choose. You pay. Agreed?

Pfft. I can live with that. Of course it is understood that if a man chooses to have sex with a woman and risk her becoming pregnant without having had a vasectomy he has already chosen to relinquish his right to decide at the next step. He has also chosen to father a child and is willing to care for said child until it becomes an adult.
You don't want a woman pregnant? You don't want to be a father? Pay for ye olde snip snip.... or be celibate. Either way.


Actually, sunshinemiss, if you notice, my comment assigned no gender. I am of the opinion that if a man and woman consent to have sex and that intercourse results in a pregnancy, the man and the woman are both responsible for the costs of that pregnancy, whether it ends in an abortion, a miscarriage, or a live birth. So, if you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate if you'd not respond to me as if I'm anti-women's rights. It's simply not true.


Actually, I didn't. Interesting that this is how you interpreted it.

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