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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I can tell you from personal experience that if the mother's life is in danger, the church will okay an abortion. I was a member of a Catholic society that followed the rules of 1958 and older (Before John XXIII).

What they're saying is: even if there's a "therapuetic" argument, if you're having an abortion to regulate the number of children in your family, you're in a state of mortal sin.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

"Now the U.S. Conference of Bishops has approved the action of Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix, Arizona, who revoked the Catholic affiliation of St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center because it allowed an abortion that was medically necessary to save the life of the mother. The woman developed primary pulmonary hypertension (PPH), and by the 11th week of her pregnancy was critically ill. PPH and pregnancy is, according to one medical journal, a "lethal combination." Without an abortion, both mother and fetus would die. With an abortion, the mother could live.

The hospital refused the demands of the bishop to promise that they would not allow such an abortion again, saying that "morally, ethically, and legally, we simply cannot stand by and let someone die we might be able to save." Sister Margaret McBride was "automatically excommunicated" for allowing the procedure that saved the life of the woman."

A nun was excommunicated for saving a woman's life.

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you would be better served arguing about batman and superman.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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you would be better served arguing about batman and superman.

You're on, fargle: Was Julie Newmar the real Cat Woman or did Eartha Kitt eclipse her?

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Lee Meriweather?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I find myself thinking it's a bit, well, creepy for an all-male, all-unmarried elite to be so hellbent on controlling other people's reproductive lives.

To be fair, fighting against the HHS mandate isn't about trying to control reproductive lives.

It's about not wanting to pay for it.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I gave a really good analogy on one of the threads:
If there's a Glatt Kosher deli that actually hires a non-Jew (Because of working with food, they're allowed to exclude non-Jews from employment, I think), should the deli be forced - by law to provide ham sandwiches every Wed. for those employees that want them? Of course not! Jewish people think eating pork is a sin. Why can't we respect their wishes? When I go to a Jewish person's house, I eat off a paper plate and plastic utensils. I do so without complaint.

To be quite fair, I don't think a Kosher deli would be able to call itself a Kosher if it served a ham sandwich. The Maneschevitz wine company in upstate NY has a separate building on the grounds of another winery (can't recall exactly which...Bully Hill, Taylor, something). They do not use the same trailers as the other company, and they do not allow visitors into the actual winery area. The off-chance that a trailer has had any pork product in it, or that a visitor has eaten a pork product that day is why they do that. If either of those things were to occur, they would lose their kosher status. There is always at least one rabbi on the grounds 24/7.
After going on a tour of both wineries there, I do believe that a ham sandwich in a deli would disqualify that deli from being able to be certified kosher.

Meaning that a law, mandating serving of a ham sandwich would violate their religious freedoms. No?
Peace and comfort,
Michael

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


It would help if the discussion didn`t start out with a lie or misinformation.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If I'm reading you right, we are actually on the same side of this argument.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


Running a kosher deli is important for those who follow the Jewish faith.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


It would help if the discussion didn`t start out with a lie or misinformation.

Misinformation like claiming it's "trying to control reproductive lives of others" when there's no ban on it in the arguments, only an argument about paying for it?

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Personally, I find it hilarious that a bunch of men, who have no clue what they are fighting about, are actually ignoring the women on the boards who have given birth.