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DesideriScuri -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 6:04:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Running a kosher deli is important for those who follow the Jewish faith. A deli is as significant to my religion as a hospital is to worshipping Jesus Christ. In other words. It's not. This may be the dumbest possible analogy, given how loosely coupled the kosher dietary laws are to our actual religion. OR, perhaps since, that's actually a good analogy, it illustrated how downright STUPID these christians are... Yeah, because there is no need for a kosher deli. That's why we have them. I did notice you didn't seem to bother commenting on the Maneschevitz anecdote, including the precautions they take to ensure their products are certified kosher.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 6:12:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Yeah, because there is no need for a kosher deli. That's why we have them. I did notice you didn't seem to bother commenting on the Maneschevitz anecdote, including the precautions they take to ensure their products are certified kosher. Ill Spell it out for you, the point is while a kosher deli, does help for those who keep kosher, it is not required to be of the jewish faith, to be a practicing and good standing jew, you do not need to eat at said deli. To be a good catholic you dont have to run a hospital. You want to run a business? Then run a business, Your faith, has NOTHING to do with your BUSINESS.. You cant run a business with out shoving your religion down my throat? Dont run that kind of business a Kosher deli is a choice to go into.. A Catholic hospital, when your bleeding to death and need emergency care, RIGHT THEN not as much of a choice. Again YOUR religion is not MY religion, I am not required to be catholic to go to a catholic hospital... However these laws are trying to mandate that I have to follow things like the catholic belief, If i wish to utilize their services or be employed. The question was asked blood transfusions are against Johavas witnesses belief, should those be denied to people who run johavas witness businesses? Everyone says NO those are life saving and necessary Guess what Birth control to over 50% of women, is LIFE SAVING, and NECESSARY No ones paying for me to have contraceptives but me... My 87.43 every two weeks goes to paying for my birth control.. YOU arent paying for it DS ISNT paying for it GOD ISNT paying for it Catholics ARENT paying for it. MY 87.43 every two weeks IS So Shut up about what i use MY insurance that I and ONLY I PAY FOR for regardless of what YOU believe is right wrong or indifferent...

farglebargle -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 6:40:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Running a kosher deli is important for those who follow the Jewish faith. A deli is as significant to my religion as a hospital is to worshipping Jesus Christ. In other words. It's not. This may be the dumbest possible analogy, given how loosely coupled the kosher dietary laws are to our actual religion. OR, perhaps since, that's actually a good analogy, it illustrated how downright STUPID these christians are... Yeah, because there is no need for a kosher deli. That's why we have them. I did notice you didn't seem to bother commenting on the Maneschevitz anecdote, including the precautions they take to ensure their products are certified kosher. Yeah, and again, "kosher" is so peripheral to my religion that even discussing it is ludicrous.

dcnovice -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 7:41:46 AM)
quote: Misinformation like claiming it's "trying to control reproductive lives of others" when there's no ban on it in the arguments, only an argument about paying for it? But isn't the goal of not paying for contraception to reduce instances of "immoral" behavior? Otherwise, the whole contretemps seems a bit pointless. Are the bishops saying that immoral behavior is okay as long as it's on someone else's dime?

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 7:47:01 AM)
Good point. And what is the difference between paying for insurance that includes contraception as an employee benefit and having that same employee take their salary and buy birth control? The source of the money is the same. This is just a thinly disguised attempt to control their employees' behavior. [/quote] But isn't the goal of not paying for contraception to reduce instances of "immoral" behavior? Otherwise, the whole contretemps seems a bit pointless. Are the bishops saying that immoral behavior is okay as long as it's on someone else's dime? [/quote]

Raiikun -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:03:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice But isn't the goal of not paying for contraception to reduce instances of "immoral" behavior? Otherwise, the whole contretemps seems a bit pointless. Or maybe it's that they can't in good conscience let a service they provide be an enabler of "immoral" behavior. quote: Are the bishops saying that immoral behavior is okay as long as it's on someone else's dime? Not at all.

Raiikun -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:16:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet And what is the difference between paying for insurance that includes contraception as an employee benefit and having that same employee take their salary and buy birth control? Probably the same difference in their eyes as an employer compensating his employees with heroin, or the employees taking their salary and going out to buy that heroin.

GotSteel -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:21:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr JP II wasn't a pope (as far as I was concerned, back then) because he allowed the heretical teachings of V II to continue. Wow.... What's your take on the current nazi pedo-pope? Have you removed his popehood as well?

xssve -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:23:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet And what is the difference between paying for insurance that includes contraception as an employee benefit and having that same employee take their salary and buy birth control? Probably the same difference in their eyes as an employer compensating his employees with heroin, or the employees taking their salary and going out to buy that heroin. You realize you're equating birth control with heroin?

Raiikun -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:25:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve You realize you're equating birth control with heroin? No, I'm not. You realize that's just an analogy?

Lucylastic -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:28:29 AM)
Xssve! thats ok, we have been reduced to the issue being likened to ham sandwiches in a deli, thats just the tip of the iceberg. Everything is peachy when people use fucking ridiculous analogies to describe what 99% of women use during their lifetime for obvious reasons.

Edwynn -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:44:44 AM)
Hmm ... I myself have always likened women to tabouli, the good kind that is mostly parsley and less bulgar, not that half&half kind that some places sell. Seriously though; as been pointed out numerous occasions already, the notion that all this is anything other than repeated attacks against Roe/Wade and a religious crusade against non-medieval reproductive considerations is not even disingenuous, it is flat out dishonest.

xssve -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 9:56:03 AM)
True dat.

Lucylastic -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:05:26 AM)
I may not agree with you chaps on some things, but I can get behind that with my amazing self, kiss on the cheek for both of ya.

farglebargle -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:09:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Or maybe it's that they can't in good conscience let a service they provide be an enabler of "immoral" behavior. So, now you're saying that sponsoring an employee group for insurance rates somehow makes them a signatory to the private contract between the insured and the insurer? Or is it your point that the total compensation paid to an employee isn't fungible? Put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer.

Owner59 -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:11:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It would help if the discussion didn`t start out with a lie or misinformation. Misinformation like claiming it's "trying to control reproductive lives of others" when there's no ban on it in the arguments, only an argument about paying for it? Bullshit AGAIN...... The employee`s insurance PAYS FOR THE GOD DAMMED MEDS....... It`s NOT FOR FREE...... When will the bullshiters get off of the lie that these folks are asking for free stuff? The presidents compromise was to let the insurance companies pay for the meds directly.....which is not good enough for the old farts fighting it........ so again......you`re bullshittin..........that this isn`t about controlling women`s bodies.

Raiikun -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:13:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It would help if the discussion didn`t start out with a lie or misinformation. Misinformation like claiming it's "trying to control reproductive lives of others" when there's no ban on it in the arguments, only an argument about paying for it? Bullshit AGAIN...... The employee`s insurance PAYS FOR THE GOD DAMMED MEDS....... It`s NOT FOR FREE...... When will the bullshiters get off of the lie that these folks are asking for free stuff? quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bullshit AGAIN...... The employee`s insurance PAYS FOR THE GOD DAMMED MEDS....... It`s NOT FOR FREE...... When will the bullshiters get off of the lie that these folks are asking for free stuff? Strawman.

xssve -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:13:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Xssve! thats ok, we have been reduced to the issue being likened to ham sandwiches in a deli, thats just the tip of the iceberg. Everything is peachy when people use fucking ridiculous analogies to describe what 99% of women use during their lifetime for obvious reasons. Getting so the silly season is pretty much nonstop anymore. If it helps, I think of you more like a prosciutto croissant. I guess it's apt, considering the sausage fest goin' on on the right. Lotta guys have mommy issues I guess, it's like a mass group therapy session.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:14:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Or maybe it's that they can't in good conscience let a service they provide be an enabler of "immoral" behavior. Immoral as defined by their particular religion. You seem to be saying that it is ok for the Catholics (or anyone else for that matter) to force another to follow the tenets of their religion. Let's hope you never work for one of these guys. [:D] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhvOeNCKhs

Owner59 -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/18/2012 10:17:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It would help if the discussion didn`t start out with a lie or misinformation. Misinformation like claiming it's "trying to control reproductive lives of others" when there's no ban on it in the arguments, only an argument about paying for it? Bullshit AGAIN...... The employee`s insurance PAYS FOR THE GOD DAMMED MEDS....... It`s NOT FOR FREE...... When will the bullshiters get off of the lie that these folks are asking for free stuff? quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bullshit AGAIN...... The employee`s insurance PAYS FOR THE GOD DAMMED MEDS....... It`s NOT FOR FREE...... When will the bullshiters get off of the lie that these folks are asking for free stuff? Strawman. Lame weak non-response......

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