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Fightdirecto -> Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:18:05 AM)

Criminalize women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her

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Abortion Permission Slips from Men

And if you’re not fully convinced yet that Alaska is the next front in the GOP’s war on women, you just have to listen to State Rep. Alan Dick. He said in a House Health and Social Services Committee Hearing last week that he doesn’t believe that when a woman is pregnant, it’s really “her pregnancy.” As a matter of fact, he would advocate for criminalizing women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her. He stated, “If I thought that the man’s signature was required...required, in order for a woman to have an abortion, I’d have a little more peace about it...” He didn’t say whether a rapist would be able to send his signature by fax from prison, or not. But he’ll have “peace” and women will require a permission slip for their own bodies.


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DaddySatyr -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:29:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Criminalize women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her

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Abortion Permission Slips from Men

And if you’re not fully convinced yet that Alaska is the next front in the GOP’s war on women, you just have to listen to State Rep. Alan Dick. He said in a House Health and Social Services Committee Hearing last week that he doesn’t believe that when a woman is pregnant, it’s really “her pregnancy.” As a matter of fact, he would advocate for criminalizing women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her. He stated, “If I thought that the man’s signature was required...required, in order for a woman to have an abortion, I’d have a little more peace about it...” He didn’t say whether a rapist would be able to send his signature by fax from prison, or not. But he’ll have “peace” and women will require a permission slip for their own bodies To kill a child that someone else helped to create and may want.




With an exception for incest and rape, I support the idea that the man who had something to do with creating that life should have something to do with the decision-making about it. That's the responsibility that should be shoulder when two people agree to have sex.

Her body. Our child. Our choice.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




farglebargle -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:41:12 AM)

Does everyone remember how back in slave days, the slaveowner would determine how his slaves were bred?

Here you are.

And it ain't YOUR CHILD unless you can produce a signed, notarized contract giving you ANY rights to your sperm once you ejaculate.




Fightdirecto -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:43:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
With an exception for incest and rape, I support the idea that the man who had something to do with creating that life should have something to do with the decision-making about it. That's the responsibility that should be shoulder when two people agree to have sex.
Her body. Our child. Our choice.
Peace and comfort,
Michael

The choice should be made by the man and the woman if the sex was consensual - and no one else.

The choice should be made by the woman alone if the sex was not consensual - and no one else.




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:44:07 AM)

So, I have sex, and he says no

Im supposed to die because he says no?

Way to Go GOP Way to go

What about when its not healthy for the mother to carry the child?
What if the child puts the mothers life at risk? Do they still need to get permission to ya know Live?

All of these bills just make me want to cross my legs so tightly closed that no ones getting between them... Ever....

What about in a case where the woman slept with more then one man, would she need to get permission from each and every partner just in case?

Wow... just wow...




xssve -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:45:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Criminalize women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her

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Abortion Permission Slips from Men

And if you’re not fully convinced yet that Alaska is the next front in the GOP’s war on women, you just have to listen to State Rep. Alan Dick. He said in a House Health and Social Services Committee Hearing last week that he doesn’t believe that when a woman is pregnant, it’s really “her pregnancy.” As a matter of fact, he would advocate for criminalizing women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her. He stated, “If I thought that the man’s signature was required...required, in order for a woman to have an abortion, I’d have a little more peace about it...” He didn’t say whether a rapist would be able to send his signature by fax from prison, or not. But he’ll have “peace” and women will require a permission slip for their own bodies To kill a child that someone else helped to create and may want.




With an exception for incest and rape, I support the idea that the man who had something to do with creating that life should have something to do with the decision-making about it. That's the responsibility that should be shoulder when two people agree to have sex.

Her body. Our child. Our choice.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


Presumably that would also require the man take on full financial responsibility, and if he didn't it would be criminal negligence and child abuse.

Otherwise, a policy like this can only be described as a cynical ploy to provide more grist for the fostercare human trafficking mill.




subrob1967 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:46:16 AM)

I say the father should be able to abort any mother that aborts his child without permission.




Fightdirecto -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:50:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I say the father should be able to abort any mother that aborts his child without permission.


If a man rapes a woman, and she subsequently gets an abortion - is the rapist justified in "aborting" her after serving his prison sentence for the rape?

Just want to see how far you will take your stupidity...




tj444 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:57:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve
Presumably that would also require the man take on full financial responsibility, and if he didn't it would be criminal negligence and child abuse.

Otherwise, a policy like this can only be described as a cynical ploy to provide more grist for the fostercare human trafficking mill.

and he should be legally required to provide the woman with his complete, audited & notarized financial statement showing all assets and liabilities.. before he has sex with her the first time..




DaddySatyr -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 6:58:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
With an exception for incest and rape, I support the idea that the man who had something to do with creating that life should have something to do with the decision-making about it. That's the responsibility that should be shoulder when two people agree to have sex.
Her body. Our child. Our choice.
Peace and comfort,
Michael

The choice should be made by the man and the woman if the sex was consensual - and no one else.

The choice should be made by the woman alone if the sex was not consensual - and no one else.



I agree completely




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:04:26 AM)

Stupidity aside, it is all very well to talk about the man taking financial responsibility, but it often doesn't work so well in practice. I see lots of women in court every week where the "father" agreed or was ordered to take financial responsibiity, but instead, left without leaving a forwarding address. So, big surprise, the woman is stuck with the financial burden and the child suffers. The only way this law would work is if the man denies permission for an abortion, he is required to put up a $300,000 bond and a prepaid life insurance policy. Put your money where your mouth is, boys. In advance. Talk is cheap, kids are expensive.




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:07:49 AM)

IASM, Im still wondering in the case of someone like me

Where having a child would kill me, Do I still need a permission slip?

If my partner refuses to sign it, am i required to do something that will kill me and the fetus because he says no?

Is he then on the hook for two counts of murder, because his decision caused mine and the childs death?




GrandPoobah -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:09:19 AM)

In a perfect world I might be tempted to agree that the male involved should at least be involved in the decision. However, given that we don't live in a perfect world, probably not so much. And, like it or not, it's ultimately the woman who has to deal with the pregnancy...and historically they also seem to get stuck with the major portion of raising the kid too. I'm not saying that's fair, or even appropriate, but that doesn't make it untrue. Personally I would certainly wish that married couples or committed partners make the decision together...although I'm sure that doesn't happen enough. Like it or not, birth control (in all aspects) has largely been dumped in the lap of the women...well, except for the GOP who seems to think the party of rich old white guys knows more about such things that all the women in the world put together.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:18:58 AM)

It's a stupid fucking law, SR, I am certainly not advocating for it. I am just amused by the posters who blather on about it being the man's choice too, and how financial responsibility should be shared. Pretty words, but not very realistic in the real world. So, how about it boys? Don't you agree that if the man refuses to let a woman get an abortion (it sears my soul to write those words) he should have to prove up front that he has the wherewithal to pay for the kid? I know I, as a taxpayer, don't want to be stuck with the bill of raising a child that the mother didn't want in the first place.
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

IASM, Im still wondering in the case of someone like me

Where having a child would kill me, Do I still need a permission slip?

If my partner refuses to sign it, am i required to do something that will kill me and the fetus because he says no?

Is he then on the hook for two counts of murder, because his decision caused mine and the childs death?




farglebargle -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:43:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I say the father should be able to abort any mother that aborts his child without permission.


You got any paperwork PROVING it's 'his' child?




Arienos -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:46:29 AM)

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Presumably that would also require the man take on full financial responsibility, and if he didn't it would be criminal negligence and child abuse.

I cannot think of a comment I have read on this site I would be more supportive of.
If a man impregnates a woman by accident or intent…he has voluntarily or involuntarily made himself responsible to the woman and hopefully his healthy born offspring. Should there be a complication with his offspring’s birth; the man is no less responsible in determining the resolution of that complication.




DarkSteven -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:50:12 AM)

OP, I didn't believe you that the sponsor's name was Alan Dick until I read the article.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 7:57:18 AM)

Again pretty words, but that just isn't enough. If I were a woman denied an abortion by a one nighter, and faced with the burden of carrying and raising an unplanned child, I would want to know for sure that I would not be wasting time for the next 20 years chasing down some deadbeat. The state needs to require a bond up front if they are going to consider this bullshit.
And, if I lived in Alaska, I would raise my daughters to know that they should only fuck rich guys.
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ORIGINAL: Arienos

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Presumably that would also require the man take on full financial responsibility, and if he didn't it would be criminal negligence and child abuse.

I cannot think of a comment I have read on this site I would be more supportive of.
If a man impregnates a woman by accident or intent…he has voluntarily or involuntarily made himself responsible to the woman and hopefully his healthy born offspring. Should there be a complication with his offspring’s birth; the man is no less responsible in determining the resolution of that complication.




Arienos -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 8:52:29 AM)

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Again pretty words, but that just isn't enough. If I were a woman denied an abortion by a one nighter, and faced with the burden of carrying and raising an unplanned child, I would want to know for sure that I would not be wasting time for the next 20 years chasing down some deadbeat


If the male was a deadbeat he wouldn’t want to be shackled to years of support and therein it’s not logical to assume he would decline agreeing to abort. As to the one night stand, I think the underlining question is, did the one night stand reach a point to where you even knew his name...many impulsive sexual encounters never get to that degree of familiarization and the sire is just another blured immage in a host of blured immages.




thishereboi -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 9:33:14 AM)

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Don't you agree that if the man refuses to let a woman get an abortion (it sears my soul to write those words) he should have to prove up front that he has the wherewithal to pay for the kid?


Actually at that point he should be the one who gets the kid and raises it. After all, the mother didn't want it, so why would we make her raise it. Now as far as proving he is financially responsible. That would come after the law that makes women prove they can take care of the kid before she is allowed to carry it to term.

fr to the rest of the thread
If there is a medical necessity for the abortion, then I doubt anyone is going to make the mother carry the baby to term. But don't let that stop you from bringing it up because someone out there might actually buy into that one. Kinda like the state that is going to make women carry dead fetuses in their wombs.




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