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iwillserveu -> Atkins diet (4/2/2004 1:57:42 PM)

This is not BDSM related, but there have been a few posts by people getting rude e-mails because of their weight.

As a former fat guy I’ve got to speak out about this Atkins thing. It is the stupidest thing I’ve heard.

C’mon, zero carbs in pork rinds but beware of wheat bread? [8D]

I don’t doubt that one can lose weight on it. One can lose weight eating only hot fudge sundaes too.[8D]

What really ticked me off was an add on the back cover of Newsweek that showed a food pyramid. Meats were on the bottom and grains on the top.

Two pounds of bacon is OK, but beware of pumpernickel. [8D]

I challenge anyone to eat two pounds of whatever bread they choose. Depending on loaf size that is two or three loaves. (Anyone can eat two pounds of bacon if they put their mind too it. [Heck, I can and I doubt I’m that different from youse. [:)] ])

There is this thing called cholesterol. I could be wrong, but it is kinda important. [:)]



EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/2/2004 2:46:47 PM)

People have something negative to say about everything. But, if you haven't tried it, researched it, or can say you even know someone who actually followed it totally and it doesn't work, well,,, oh well that you don't agree.

I know dozens of people who have successfully lost weight on the Atkins programs. Those that were sensible enough to actually follow all it said (such as increasing carbs slowly) manage to eat bread and still keep it off.

I personally can't do atkins. I am the low-fat kind, and know that refined sugar is much worse for me than carbs. But, just because that is not a program that works for me doesn't mean it is not one that will not work for others.



proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/2/2004 3:02:32 PM)

Hubby and I are on the South Beach diet, He has lost 30lbs and i have lost 22, and we love it, so easy to follow, and its not "low carb", it's good carbs, good fat and lots of protein. Atkins has changed a lot in the last few years and is very similar to South Beach now, allowing lots of good carbs and recommending less saturated fat than it used to. I read a lot of message boards relating to both programs and they both work for many people. Personally i think South Beach will be an easier and heathier plan to follow for lifetime eating. My first goal is to prevent the diabetes and heart disease that devasted my mother, weight loss is secondary. Anyone here wanting to lose weight and learn a healthy way of eating might want to check into the South Beach program. There is a summary of it on prevention.com . A new revised book is coming out soon so you might want to wait a bit before buying the book. If anyone wants to know the message forums i go to please leave me a message and i will give them to you.



EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/2/2004 6:14:13 PM)

Thanks of the info Proud. I will pass it onto Master if he wants to do it, but that's no good for me either. I would starve to death :) I don't each vegatables, salads, or *creamy* things. Also can't stand cottage cheese. I am pretty sure when he loses the 10 pounds he wants to he is just going to go sugar free again though,, it's the way he tends to have the most energy.



ShadeDiva -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 1:20:32 AM)

Yanno, I did the Atkins thing.

I was hardcore about it too, didn't cheat. I eliminated ALL sugar, ALL caffiene (whimper!), and bought all the stuff - pee strips included.

I was so hardcore about it - that I decided to do the induction phase, for SIX months. 20 carbs a day - for six months. A single piece of bread averages 23 carbs - if that gives anyone a clue how few carbs that is. I'm a pasta and bread lover too.

I never hit ketosis. Not once. In fact at the end of six months - I weighed myself, and I freaking GAINED one pound. Needless to say I went *right* out and bought myself a mocha. LOL.

My girlfriends were doing the normal Atkins, and they were cheating from day one (the nerve! LOL) and BOTH of them hit ketosis on the second day. Go figure.

So it doesn't work for everyone. Although I was recently told there is a rare occurance in certain people where the body will treat certain sweetners as if they were sugar, even though there isn't a single carb in them, throwing the body out of ketosis. I forget the name of it, but it's the main ingredent for Nutrasweet and Sweet and Low, supposedly only Splenda is the safe sweenter for that particular body type. So maybe that was it, and my diet sodas were kicking me out of ketosis.

I don't think I could face that many eggs again though. LOL! I'll stick to exercise, methinks.

~ShadeDiva



iwillserveu -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 6:11:52 AM)

Vanilla link to Dave Barry. He's a humor columnist and makes up outlandish claims like how to make a carbohydrate molecule.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/8292220.htm



proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 9:43:59 AM)

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Although I was recently told there is a rare occurance in certain people where the body will treat certain sweetners as if they were sugar


That's true, some sweetners will cause insulin production from what I've read. South Beach doesn't put your body in ketosis if you eat the recommended carbs, that's one reason i chose it over Atkins. I can't imagine doing 6 months of 20 carbs a day. Hubby and I love SB and will make it a lifetime way of eating.



MistressKiss -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 1:18:12 PM)

Here, here...I never hit ketosis while strictly following Atkins either. I agree with ShadeDiva, exercise and moderation are reliable friends.



belongtoyou -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 3:15:48 PM)

i've tried weight watchers, diet pills, and detox dieting....the weight watchers worked when i first tried it, about 7 years ago, but it's not been helpful recently.

Other than the carb factor, what's the difference between Atkin's and the South Beach diet?

Also, what's ketosis?

thanks,

~rain~



ShadeDiva -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 4:53:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: belongtoyou


Also, what's ketosis?

thanks,

~rain~


That's the state in which your body starts processing the fat into energy. Ummm, I won't explain it as well as Atkins did - but that's when you *KNOW* you are burning off your fat.

Atkins has pee strips that you insert into your urine stream that change colors. Mine never changed. Again though I wouldn't doubt it might have been the sweetners I was using - I LIVED for my orange diet soda with a splash of whipping cream. LOL.

Sadly almost all diet drinks and stuff are made with Nutrasweet and Sweet and Low - not Splenda. I am not sure I could face that many eggs again without at least my little diet soda treat - and if that will sabotage my entire effort, then there isn't any point in doing it again anyway. LOL

~ShadeDiva



proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 5:13:41 PM)

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Other than the carb factor, what's the difference between Atkin's and the South Beach diet?


South Beach doesn't allow all the saturated fats that Atkins allows, and on SB we don't count carbs or anything else (except 75 cal/d of sweets), we just eat from the allowed lists, which include good fats (olive oil, nuts, etc), good carbs (whole grain products and cereals, most fruits, and tons of veggies), low sugar dairy products, and low fat protein. The first two weeks carbs are more limited to rid you of your cravings for sweets and starches, and it really does work. Then you add back in good carbs gradually. I'll let someone else answer the ketosis question, I don't have the technical info in front of me. If you want some websites let me know rain, i can email them to you.



belongtoyou -> RE: Atkins diet (4/4/2004 9:02:58 PM)

Thank you Shadediva and proudsub for the info.

proudsub, could you email those links? That would be great, thanks!

i am a sugar addict, and would like to ween (sp?) myself off of processed sugars.

cheers,

~rain~



sub4hire -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 12:31:42 PM)

I'm not a doctor. I've never been on a diet in my life. I go to the gym. I work out harder.

Of course usually to no avail other than if someone happens to run into me they said its like hitting a train. I weight a lot more than a person my size should weigh. Although according to my doctor I'm fine. I have a lot of muscle mass.

Anyway, I've known people to do the atkins thing. They lost a lot of weight. A LOT. Its real hard for them to stay on it. I've read the atkins book. My Dom tried it last year. Did'nt have a bowel movement for two weeks. Then out of desperation and hemmoroids he got off of it.

If I recall correctly you are to have zero carbs for so many days. Which leads me to ask with all the new atkins products out there. They would actually make you gain weight would'nt they? If not doing the two week with zero prior?
This is something I've been wondering about lately.

Since Atkins died. I've read the papers just as many others have. I have heard that even on Atkins..South Beach and the rest of the diets. The average weight loss over a years amount of time is a grand total of 3 pounds.
The atkins people I know who have lost a lot of weight..all have gained it back. Yet they are still doing the low carb thing. I don't know if they are just lazier at it. Or what the problem is.

I have also heard that ketosis is very bad for the body. Yet, don't know how true that is. However here is an excerpt from an article I have on it.


"Liquid Protein" diets like the Cambridge diet introduced after publication of The Last Chance Diet (1976) killed at least fifty people whose hearts failed through fibrillation. This very low calorie, low fat diet caused people to lose muscle mass everywhere, including the heart which eventually gave up. The Food and Drug Administration warned the medical community about the danger of this kind of diet which gave ketosis a bad name.

The nutritionists and diet advisors listened. Jane Brody said ketones are toxicStuart Berger bashed them in How To Be Your Own Nutritionist. Ann Louise Gittleman writes in Your Body Knows Best:

Without some carbohydrates to maintain blood sugar levels and fuel the system, ketone bodies - fatty substances generated from the breakdown of stored fats or triglycerides - are soon formed in the blood. Ketone bodies mask your appetite even though your brain demands glucose. The result is ketosis: headaches, light-headedness, and mental fatigue. Eventually, [on a low fat diet] your body will begin to convert protein from your muscles into blood sugar. You lose weight, but it is from muscle mass, not from fat. (Pocket Books, 1997)

I'm not a doctor. I don't know if its true or not. Yet...I try to educate myself on it fully. Perhaps someone here can teach me a bit more.



Estring -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 3:12:29 PM)

I always understood that eating in moderation and regular exercise is the best way to keep in shape. People are always looking for a magic way to lose weight. It doesn't exist. What would Jared do? [;)]



proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 5:35:36 PM)

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I always understood that eating in moderation and regular exercise is the best way to keep in shape. People are always looking for a magic way to lose weight. It doesn't exist. What would Jared do?


That's true for many, but for so many people, myself included, cravings can destroy the whole eating in moderation thing. What i like so much about the South Beach plan is that i lost my cravings for sweets and starches, so it is much easier to stay on the plan.



belongtoyou -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 7:39:41 PM)

proudsub,

The one thing i did find helpful in reducing my cravings for sweets was chronium supplements. i don't know why it worked, but it did.....

i think i ran out of them awhile ago, and that's why i'm having such strong cravings lately.

~rain~



sub4hire -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 7:51:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: belongtoyou

proudsub,

The one thing i did find helpful in reducing my cravings for sweets was chronium supplements. i don't know why it worked, but it did.....

i think i ran out of them awhile ago, and that's why i'm having such strong cravings lately.

~rain~


Hmm, you know they just proved chromium suppliments really do nothing, right?

Read it on a medical website someplace. Its really hard what to believe or disbelieve anymore if you ask me. So many conflicting studies.



proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 8:08:31 PM)

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Hmm, you know they just proved chromium suppliments really do nothing, right?

Read it on a medical website someplace. Its really hard what to believe or disbelieve anymore if you ask me. So many conflicting studies.


I used to take chromium regularly too until that study came out. Also my daughter was an athlete at a major university and all the athletes were required to take chromium, but that was stopped a few years ago.



belongtoyou -> RE: Atkins diet (4/5/2004 8:45:53 PM)

hmm, i was not aware of that study.....

It really is confusing...first the "experts" tell you something is good for you, then a few months later they retract their statements!

Have you heard the latest debate? Now "they" say that not only should you NOT drink eight glasses of water a day...but that it can cause health problems! sheesh!

i know it's not good to be overweight, but honestly, i could be the healthest woman on the planet and still get run over by a bus tomorrow....

and since we all know stress isn't good for you [:)]

ah well, f*#*# it! [:D]

~rain~



sub4hire -> RE: Atkins diet (4/6/2004 4:46:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: belongtoyou



It really is confusing...first the "experts" tell you something is good for you, then a few months later they retract their statements!

Have you heard the latest debate? Now "they" say that not only should you NOT drink eight glasses of water a day...but that it can cause health problems! sheesh!


~rain~


I heard about a study a few month's ago I believe from Australia. It said you should drink one ounce of water a day for each pound you weigh. That's more water than any of us drink in a given day.

However, about a year ago I heard of a woman being tried for murder of her son. She made him drink too much water. He drowned. From the inside out I guess.

So...how much is too much and how much is enough? I know I drink 8 glasses while at the gym working out. I'm still thirsty.



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