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fucktoyprincess -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/17/2012 6:04:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Why should Atheists RESPECT something they consider a laughable fairy-tale... Hmmm... so a LIVING BABY IN THE WOMB is a "laughable fairy-tale" to Atheists, huh?!! Funny, and here I thought the millions of ultrasounds performed every year proved the growing baby as REAL -- and not some "fairy-tale", let alone a "laughable" one?!! Thanks for clearing that up and speaking on behalf of all Atheists. [8\|] How many funeral services have you attended for an unintended miscarriage? Name me one religion that mandates such a service.

Kirata -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/17/2012 6:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA Boy, these Lefty Atheists are just sooooooooo COMPASSIONATE?!! [8\|] Fargle isn't an atheist. He's just against everybody else's theism. I'm anti-christian, anti-mormon and anti-muslim. There is One G-d, and he didn't decide he needed a son one day, or a Holy Ghost... the "New Testament" is a bunch of bullshit. G-d doesn't love his enemies. He smites them. K.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/17/2012 7:30:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess ...funeral services... for an unintended miscarriage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/michelle-duggar-miscarriage-name-baby_n_1140215.html

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/17/2012 7:32:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA Boy, these Lefty Atheists are just sooooooooo COMPASSIONATE?!! [8\|] Fargle isn't an atheist. He's just against everybody else's theism. I'm anti-christian, anti-mormon and anti-muslim. There is One G-d, and he didn't decide he needed a son one day, or a Holy Ghost... the "New Testament" is a bunch of bullshit. G-d doesn't love his enemies. He smites them. K. Agnostic, then?!!

farglebargle -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 4:55:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Nothing makes any particular baby 'special' UNLESS IT'S YOURS. Quoted for posterity... yeah, screw anyone else's "baby" -- only "YOURS" matters. Boy, these Lefty Atheists are just sooooooooo COMPASSIONATE?!! [8\|] Many times "Sticking your nose into other people's business" is called "Compassion", but it's really not minding your own fucking business. If it's not yours, it's someone elses. Do you often interject yourself into someone's life for other issues, like getting a home?

farglebargle -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 4:56:37 AM)
I'm Jewish. We were here first, and the Word of G-d hasn't changed in thousands and thousands of years, despite what some old 'celibate' guys wearing dresses tell you.

Raiikun -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 5:14:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel Genesis 2:7: And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man became a living soul when God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. He was not a “living soul” before. That seems an odd interpretation of that. If you're going to use God breathing into your nostrils as the beginning of life, by that standard, none of us are alive.

Raiikun -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 5:23:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Meh. Life is cheap, and the world is full of people. Nothing makes any particular baby 'special' UNLESS IT'S YOURS. Hey, by that logic, we should be able to cut using taxes for welfare for needy mothers right? After all, they aren't MY babies, so they don't matter.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 5:47:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess ...funeral services... for an unintended miscarriage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/michelle-duggar-miscarriage-name-baby_n_1140215.html You did not quote my whole statement. The Duggars' religion does NOT mandate such a service. They are choosing to do this primarily for the publicity. Name me ONE religion that mandates such a service. And have not actually answered my question. Have YOU personally EVER in your life attended a funeral service for a miscarriage? Has anyone you know personally ever had a service for a miscarriage?

thompsonx -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:02:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Why should Atheists RESPECT something they consider a laughable fairy-tale... Hmmm... so a LIVING BABY IN THE WOMB is a "laughable fairy-tale" to Atheists, huh?!! Funny, and here I thought the millions of ultrasounds performed every year proved the growing baby as REAL -- and not some "fairy-tale", let alone a "laughable" one?!! Thanks for clearing that up and speaking on behalf of all Atheists. [8\|] Actually it is anyone who has completed med school who thinks that "living baby in the womb" is a laughable fairy-tale. Those who have graduated from med school know the difference between the words fetus and baby. Perhaps now would be a good time for you to consult a dictionary and dissabuse yourself of your ignorance.

thompsonx -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:07:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I'm Jewish. We were here first, and the Word of G-d hasn't changed in thousands and thousands of years, despite what some old 'celibate' guys wearing dresses tell you. There is reasonale proof that humans have been on this planet for more than a million years. That in and of itself would be prima facia evidence that jews were not "here first".

vincentML -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:33:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA YOU were MOCKING another's beliefs on LIFE, as well as MOCKING ABORTION, as noted by your references to the "fetus" itself!!! If you had any sense, you would have realized that and not done so. Your inability to comprehend even your VILE behavior is astounding. quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Was that the one where the fetus grabbed the prongs and broke them over its knee? Really? Did you deduce than that the fetus had a nervous system and soul in tact? Did it sway you any that the propaganda video was entitled "Silent Scream?" Or was that the one where the fetus carried a sign that said "My mom was raped at knife point by a stranger and I don't give a shit!" DISGUSTING!!! [8\|] Did you ever even see the video in question? Probably not. It was a lothesome piece of propaganda crap and well deserving of being mocked. Can you defend the video? Nope. Can you defend those Legislators who wish to prevent abortion even by rape victims which is the issue my comments spoke to? Have you even thought about it? Do you think even? Or only loudly vomit anti-abortion bullshit you heard from your pastor? Women who are impregnated as a result of rape or incest in South Carolina would be precluded from receiving tax dollars to fund abortions, according to a controversial budget proposal introduced Tuesday by S.C. Rep. Rex Rice (RINO-Pickens). It is obvious you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Not all your ranting and shouting in large, bold letters and narrow-minded, false accusations will change my opinion nor my satire of the video. It is an emotional piece of shit just like your ludicrous accusations and adolescent behavior on this thread.

Lucylastic -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:35:46 AM)
The only time they(talibangelicals) care about a woman, is when she is carrying a fetus: before hand, they dont give a shit, after the fetus is a separate living person, they dont give a damn.We've seen it in the bills cutting welfare, abortion rights, contraception denial, child programs, etc etc ad nauseam. Every other time , the expectation of the talibangelicals is for women to take responsibility for their own problems and issues, but once they are pregnant, they want choice removed.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:45:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The only time they(talibangelicals) care about a woman, is when she is carrying a fetus: before hand, they dont give a shit, after the fetus is a separate living person, they dont give a damn.We've seen it in the bills cutting welfare, abortion rights, contraception denial, child programs, etc etc ad nauseam. Every other time , the expectation of the talibangelicals is for women to take responsibility for their own problems and issues, but once they are pregnant, they want choice removed. And this ultimately is the hypocrisy of the anti-abortion camp. They feel responsible for a fetus, but not for actual human beings who are on the planet. As someone on another thread said that although they were Christian they were not responsible for the homeless person on the street. Right. But they consider themselves responsible for a fetus. A fetus that NO religion has death rites for if there is a miscarriage. In other words, how much importance have religions placed on a fetus historically? ZERO. NONE. And a miscarriage was treated how? As NOTHING. So those who want respect for their centuries old tradition of religion, well fine. But if the entire history of your religion never once acknowledged the sanctity of the fetus, why suddenly does one cite scripture to defend this position? And I agree that to state there is sanctity of the fetus, but that no one is responsible for actual babies, entirely absurd beyond belief. Those of you who are anti-abortion can also choose to pay for those children as they grow up. It's the least you could offer to do.

Twenty9male -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 6:55:29 AM)
Better to pull in heart string than to kill and maim surely? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: submaleuk12 I remember watching a video on abortion and it shows the featus trying to move away from the prongs that are trying to kill and cowering away it, it's awful, there's plenty of vids showing that on YouTube, it wasn't even a late abortion either, I think that's what swung it for me. You know a fetus will move away from anything encroaching on it, even a mothers or fathers touch? part of the Autonomic nervous system. My eldest used to kick me if I put a cup of tea on my belly. when having my pre natal exams she would move from the fingers being pressed into my belly.Let alone move, turn, roll and hiccup. But not in the early stages when most abortions are done. Propaganda for pulling on heart strings is typical of those videos.

RemoteUser -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 7:09:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Name me ONE religion that mandates such a service. And have not actually answered my question. Have YOU personally EVER in your life attended a funeral service for a miscarriage? Has anyone you know personally ever had a service for a miscarriage? Rhetoric aside: religion wasn't built to acknowledge miscarriages because it teaches the living about death. Anyone (unless you prefer anything) dead is notoriously bad at learning. Religion doesn't account for a number of things but that doesn't make it immediately wrong, either (who knew relativity before Einstein? some things are just not discovered yet.) I'm not in the camp that agrees that religion can be forced to explain everything by changing the translation, either. I have personally attended funerals for stillborn babies, and that is a miscarriage, even if it is later in the development stage. I also had to help break down the cribs, console the parents who cried until they puked, and break up fights among family members over the ensuing emotional baggage. I get what you're driving at trying to define life here, but having been on the death side, it's not the nicest approach to the topic.

Lucylastic -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 7:16:54 AM)
When I got pregnant the first time, I was in "trouble" beyond being worried I was pregnant,. A close family friend of mine offered to get me a "private" pregnancy test, and counselling, but only if I signed a paper saying I would not consider abortion( a faith based org I found out later). I had no intention of doing so, and had a few hours counselling.. telling me I had to renew my faith in god, it would help me get thru my pregnancy and give me the strength to get thru "my blessed event". I ran away from home and ended up in another town, long story short, eventually I had a miscarriage at five months. I only got to see him once, wouldnt let me hold him then they told me he was incinerated, the "vicar" wouldnt consider a funeral or a memorial service, it just wasnt done. When I got back to town , sans pregnancy, in severe depression and no one wanted to know me, the whole organization treated me like I was the scum of the earth, they assumed I had gone away to have the abortion. They caused trouble with my family , my friends and completely turned me (in their minds) to an immoral slut. Yeah that was the straw that broke the camels back, their hypocrisy , their judgment, made me realise they didnt give a shit about anything but the life of the fetus. Ive never been back. who needs that amount of hate in their lives.

RemoteUser -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 7:20:02 AM)
hugs to Lucy Some people forget about the humans involved when they are caught up in ideologies. It's not fair, but it's true. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Lucylastic -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 7:22:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twenty9male Better to pull in heart string than to kill and maim surely? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: submaleuk12 I remember watching a video on abortion and it shows the featus trying to move away from the prongs that are trying to kill and cowering away it, it's awful, there's plenty of vids showing that on YouTube, it wasn't even a late abortion either, I think that's what swung it for me. You know a fetus will move away from anything encroaching on it, even a mothers or fathers touch? part of the Autonomic nervous system. My eldest used to kick me if I put a cup of tea on my belly. when having my pre natal exams she would move from the fingers being pressed into my belly.Let alone move, turn, roll and hiccup. But not in the early stages when most abortions are done. Propaganda for pulling on heart strings is typical of those videos. Dont bother responding to me again.. you posts show you dont have nearly enough intellectual capacity to understand my point..

Twenty9male -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 7:24:04 AM)
I understand your point i just think it's morally bankrupt. Your whinging as if to say they only cared about the featus, perhaps you should have card about it a bit more and they wouldn't have had to.

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