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RemoteUser -> RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception - says the Holy Bible (5/18/2012 8:59:19 AM)
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
My point is quite simple and it is not rhetorical. It is a statement of fact.
How much importance have religions placed on a fetus historically? ZERO. NONE. And a miscarriage was treated how? As NOTHING.
And for the record, a stillbirth is NOT considered the same as a miscarriage medically. I am referring specifically to miscarriage. Do not equate stillborn deaths with miscarriage. A stillbirth is when a fetus that is full term dies in the uterus. A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Doctors and hospitals handle them differently and they are statistically accounted for differently, and how societies handle stillborn deaths is quite different from miscarriages. So no, stillborn does not equal miscarriage.
Many (maybe even most) miscarriages are completely unaccounted for because women are not even aware they are having one. Within the first month of pregnancy a miscarriage can appear as a regular period to a woman. So again, if religion believes all of these are souls, how exactly does one account for the miscarriage that a woman is not even aware of? Where are the death rites for these lost souls? Where is the burial for this soul? Is a woman expected to keep her sanitary napkin/ tampon so that it can have the last rites administered to the fetus and then a burial for the sanitary napkin/ tampon will take place in accordance with religious mandates Every religion has death rites for a dead PERSON. And a fetus is not that, therefore religions have not bothered with them. And how exactly does religion expect a woman to keep track? To have her do a pregnancy test (a blood test - the only dispositive pregnancy test is a blood test) every single day to determine if she is pregnant or not, and whether she should be treating a period as a regular period or as a miscarriage??
If a fetus is a soul, then religion should treat every fetus, even a miscarried one, in that way. But they don't. They never have. This is not rhetorical. This is not even hypothetical. This is fact.
Two small points to make:
i) What you know, does not define what is. You keep slamming religion in a derogatory fashion and you ask for answers, but you don't accept or contemplate the answers you request - just attack again. That action changes your approach and invalidates the whole process of learning through discussion; and the hollow remains are rhetorical. That is the point I was making. I don't have all the answers either, but I'll discuss them in the manner they are expressed. That said...
ii) Stillbirth has been referred to as miscarriage to the anger of many women who experience it. Scientifically, yes, the timing of the event does separate stillbirth and miscarriage and enforces the medical definition of life. If the medical definition is all we care about then you are spot on. The thread started with a religious perspective, however, and other than yelling your disbelief I haven't seen you make the attempt to understand the OP, only challenge.
You make a point about ritualism, but the excessive tampon reference weakens its credibility. In response, I would ask you to consider that for all the weaknesses of your fellow man, from the popular religious view it is believed that the head honcho upstairs sees and knows regardless of our ability to notice. It matters even when we're not aware of it. Equate it to crimes on another continent that you never hear of, are they less criminal?
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