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And CNN said there are wait times in the past, as high os 18 MONTHS to get admitted to a hospital! they have taken steps to reduce that wait time to something like 12-16 weeks.

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Unlike many libertarians I see roads as state necessary due to their nature. Competing road systems is facially illogical. This goes also for electrical distribution. Same can be said for water, sewer, etc where applicable.

If you can see a need for it here why is it so difficult to see it's obvious inclusion of health care?

Because its inclusion is anything but. That's why!

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When the govt had a problem...remember the statement "houston we have a problem"...If I remember correctly the "nameless govt. bureaucrats" managed to solve that problem.

I could not leave this alone[8D]

"Hey Christa, remember NASA's finest hour? You're in the best of hands. Climb aboard. You're going to have a blast!"

Your post seems to ignore the most sailent factors defining the two incidents.
Peurile minds form fatuous conclusions from random factors.

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Yes I really want the government involved in our countries health care because it is too important to be trusted to the ones who have shown that they are too incompetent to administer the one that the corporations have put in place.

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Back that truck up!!!! What ever happened to your moral / humane argument as obligation? Are you abandoning it in favor of legality? Forcing my participation via government edict (removing my right to choose) because you can't get my participation any other way? Have you no Right to my participation that you must resort to legal coercion?

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Back that truck up!!!! What ever happened to your moral / humane argument as obligation? Are you abandoning it in favor of legality? Forcing my participation via government edict (removing my right to choose) because you can't get my participation any other way? Have you no Right to my participation that you must resort to legal coercion?

If you do not choose to follow the rules of my country you are free to exercise your vote to change those laws you do not approve of.
Since you claim to exchew the franchise in favor of sniviling about your percieved inequities then it would appear that you are impailed upon he horns of a self inflicted delima.
Stay and continue to snivle about being forced to drive on the right hand side of the road.
Or:
Go some place else and continue to snivle about being forced to snivle about shit about which you have no clue.

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Unlike many libertarians I see roads as state necessary due to their nature. Competing road systems is facially illogical. This goes also for electrical distribution. Same can be said for water, sewer, etc where applicable.

If you can see a need for it here why is it so difficult to see it's obvious inclusion of health care?

Because its inclusion is anything but. That's why!

Which arguements that apply to roads,water and sewer do not apply to health care?
Please try to be specific.

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If healthcare is a right, don't the people that demand that right have any obligations to try to stay healty to earn that right?

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Eating like a pig, smoking, unsafe sex, not exercising, drinking, ect.,

How many people today decry the efforts of the govt to educate the people about the danger of unsafe nutrition etc.

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is like saying "I demand the RIGHT to jump off a cliff! And you better take care of me when I hit the bottom!

Unless you prepaid the meat wagon that will come to pick your flat ass when you make tat "dead cat bounce", we the taxpayers will do just as you request and pick up the remains and depose of them in an appropriate manner.

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Did any of you see that healthcare special Sunday on CNN? Farook whats his name hosted. I was surprized to learn that MOST healthcare overseas was payed for with PRIVATE insurance! Their citizens are required to purchase private healthcare insurance. In England, which one poster said had a really good system, healthcare costs are INCREASING and with the government paying, Said Hospitals have no incentive to lower costs. And CNN said there are wait times in the past, as high os 18 MONTHS to get admitted to a hospital! they have taken steps to reduce that wait time to something like 12-16 weeks. Also, CNN showed in England, there ARE medical boards that determine what they will and what they will NOT PAY FOR. (does anyone remember Sarah saying "death panels" and the Obama gang lying, saying "death panel talk" was bullshit?)

You seem to be saying that if you go to the hospital in england for a gunshot wound it would take 18 months to be admittedor 12 to 16 weeks under the expidited system? Because if you are you would be mistaken.
When you equate ms. palin's death pannels to medical boards determining what they will and will not pay for what specifically do you mean? How do those medical boards differ from insurance companies deciding how to avoid paying for certain proceedures?

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Costs increasing and long wait times? Doesn't sound like a good system to me!

Are there no cost increases and increased wait times with private for profit insurance?

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Big Pharma lobbying

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And yet, our health care costs are the highest in the world.

And? Just why is that? Of course it has nothing to do with Big Pharma lobbying gov't for special exemptions, favors, etc. I mean, why is it that we cannot order phama goods from Canada?

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Isn't canada the country that forces the drug pushers to sell them drugs at whole sale so that they can pass the savaings onto their citizens whom they force to pay for socialized medicine?

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Why are we limited in our insurance choices? Does the regulatory burden increase costs?

Since you did not vote for those phoque heads you have a right to criticise them....oh waite no you don't you did nt vote against them...you claim not to vote at all.....

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What about legal? Think that has any lobby in DC? Does FDA have anything to do with it? Why do new drugs, etc take so long to get to market here?

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Wihout the fda the pharmaceutical companies could just place any drug on the market and tell us it is ok. Even with the fda many mistakes do happen(most ofen as a result of direct fraud)

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Why are some foreign procedures that work well, and lower costs, not allowed here? protectionism for Big Pharma possibly?

Is his some more of your chin music or have you some validation for this opinion?

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Insurance extracts from us to pay med care. med care need not watch costs and can even raise them as more may be extracted by insurance from us.

This is counter intutitive on it's face. Some even claim that doctors are leaving medicare because it pays so little...which is it???make up your mind a you cannot have it both ways.

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Ever feel like you're drowning and some [authority?] is holding the line keeping your head barely above water, only to remind you that such shall continue only as long as the extraction continues?

Why does it bother you to pay the taxes that are really no more than the dues you pay to belong to a pretty exclusive club?

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If healthcare is a right, don't the people that demand that right have any obligations to try to stay healty to earn that right?

Hell no! Someone else is going to pay for it. Party on[8D]

What did you do to earn your 2nd ammendment rights?

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Yes I really want the government involved in our countries health care because it is too important to be trusted to the ones who have shown that they are too incompetent to administer the one that the corporations have put in place.


Who are the ones who have shown that they are too incompetent?

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Who are "they" that should be entrusted to administer what the corporations have put in place?

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Wouldn't perhaps be the ones who pass laws regulating the industry, would it?
The same ones who regulate certain banks, now would it?

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If healthcare is a right, don't the people that demand that right have any obligations to try to stay healty to earn that right?

Hell no! Someone else is going to pay for it. Party on[8D]

What did you do to earn your 2nd ammendment rights?

What must be done to establish your proclaimed right to ~collective healthcare?

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There's a reason right there for taking this out of private hands.

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Big Pharma lobbying

There's a reason right there for taking this out of private hands.

And putting it into government's?

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What was done to establish your proclaimed right to keep and bear arms?
Do you really believe that the enumerated rights in the bill of rights are the only rights we have?

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There's a reason right there for taking this out of private hands.

And putting it into government's?

Your post show a mind numbing lack of knowledge of the history of our country.

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Big Pharma lobbying

There's a reason right there for taking this out of private hands.

And putting it into government's?

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Big Pharma lobbying

There's a reason right there for taking this out of private hands.

And putting it into government's?

You were thinking of what? The medicine fairy?