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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/11/2012 7:52:14 AM   
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Patti Smith? As in THE Patti Smith? Wow! That's so fucking cool.

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/11/2012 8:17:44 AM   
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I have, at this precise moments, three white, but not blind, mice sleeping in a terrarium on the kitchen table. They have been there for over six hours. The cat hasn't even looked sideways at them. She would starve as an outdoor cat.


LOL I had a cat like that. Then another that I thought was like that until we got a mouse in the house. We did not want mouse parts all over the house since he was playing with the mouse. We took it away from him while he growled at us, then after we disposed of it he glared at us the rest of the day. LOL

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/11/2012 9:08:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Squeek never wanted to kill or hurt the mices (or birdies),.. he just wanted to play chase with them... Flies on the other hand, he would eat those.. lol

Sometimes i would see him sitting, staring intently at the wall, so i would look at what he was intently looking at.. sure enough there would be a fly on the wall.. if it was close enough to the floor he would jump at it trying to catch it.. If it was way up there, even up at the ceiling,.. I would lift him up and try my best to hold him and not let him drop while he flayed away trying to catch the fly.. man that was hard, you try holding a 10 pound bowling ball as high up above your head as long you can with it constantly veering erratically.. and try not to drop it!.. lol He would usually catch them too!

His trust in me to not drop him always amazed me cuz he never knew how many times I almost did..

When he was fairly young, one time he climbed up this tall tree.. and then he wouldnt or couldnt come down.. he stayed up there all night (I stayed up all night worried out of my gourd also).. the next morning i called a tree cutter guy to climb up there and get my cat down.. Squeek was still up there, right at the top in the sunshine, batting away at the crows that were swooping down at him.. The tree cutter guy did get him down for me.. Squeek was always the one that would do things like that..

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/11/2012 11:37:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The mice are gone now, as they were purchased to feed hubby's snake in the biology lab. Goliath absolutely refuses to eat frozen mice, and there is only one place in town that will sell you live mice as food. There has been such a shortage that there was a wait list of 200 people waiting for mice. NOT good!

My second cat was actually a barn kitten we rescued. Well, someone else rescued him, but found out they were allergic to cats, so we took over. The funniest thing he ever did was during his first few weeks with us when we were still living in an apartment that banned pets. .... His favorite activity was climbing the screen door to the balcony. He adapted very well to being an indoor cat.

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/11/2012 11:44:55 AM   
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The mice are gone now, as they were purchased to feed hubby's snake in the biology lab. Goliath absolutely refuses to eat frozen mice, and there is only one place in town that will sell you live mice as food. There has been such a shortage that there was a wait list of 200 people waiting for mice. NOT good!

My second cat was actually a barn kitten we rescued. Well, someone else rescued him, but found out they were allergic to cats, so we took over. The funniest thing he ever did was during his first few weeks with us when we were still living in an apartment that banned pets. .... His favorite activity was climbing the screen door to the balcony. He adapted very well to being an indoor cat.

A friend of mine always bought baby turkeys from the seed n feed store for snake food. No idea if that is smart or not, or a viable option for yall, but thought I would throw it out there.

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/29/2012 2:55:11 PM   
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Jesus fucking H......

I own a carnivore....leaves me a damn biscuit EVERY gawdamn night...sometimes at my damned head...wiggling....

It's like he wants to tell me "Daddy...I love you....here....check this out...it's a rat...I know you don't really care for them but....it's my gift to you....here....suck on this...."

Fucking gawdamn cats.



I wish to speak to the general audience here, not to the OP.

That said; pardon me for being such an ass.

Meant sincerely.

I laid insult, where none intended, for sake of being overly protective where no such asinine protection was needed. Overly protective on my part, certainly not theirs, of the feral cats being the latest experience here.

Of course some cats and domiciles need various protection from fleas.

After having been graced for some many years beyond need for such protection, I had completely forgotten about it.

The insult about the condition of people's houses regarding the matter is hereby withdrawn, in any event, and therein lies the apology, to all who take the trouble to take such a critter under their roof, whatever measures needed to accomplish the fact.

Over thirty years, some cats have needed the flea collar, some have not. My recent experience with cats clearly overwhelmed my comment, to such extent that I had forgotten what went on in my own experience some years ago.

Again, I appreciate all who undertake the endeavor of the cat, however accomplished.



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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/29/2012 6:44:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The love of animals, especially that of cats and children, can be a very sensitive matter, one upon which it would be wise to tread lightly, compassionately and generously. Feelings run deep on the subject, and tempers may flair when contradicted or challenged. It is clearly apparent love and concern is expressed by different people differently, and I do not doubt both camps love their cats/animals immensely.

One can love a cat enough to want it to have the freedom to live and express its life to its full, natural potential, in grateful (or not so grateful) exchange for the challenges or shortcomings it offers, and not necessarily impose upon them what their idea of what it should be like. Yes, they may get hurt in a fight, get hit by a car, attacked or killed by a coyote or dog, or other things that may reduce its function, form or life span. It is a trade-off.

One can love a cat enough to want to protect it from all harm, seen and unseen, so it's life span, accurately reflecting their definition of love, allows them to keep it safe and around for as long as possible to enjoy every last drop and moment of its life.

Each of you is right in your opinion and management, and I do not question the degree or intensity of your love and devotion to the animal that shares your life. It is a delight to know and share such love, and I am touched to read how much you feel for your furry friends.

My question is, and there is no right or wrong answer to this, do you love and serve them in a way that frees and fulfills them, or serves you and reduces the likelihood of feeling their pain or loss?

I understand both, as I love cats (and all creatures) deeply. I also respect and admire them, and am personally of the bent it is not the cats job to keep me from ever worrying about it, or suffering pain or loss if it is injured, sickened or killed. I do not measure the value of life by how little pain I encounter. I glory in allowing a cat to be exactly what it is, and other than requiring good behavior and impeccable litter box training, wish not to modify its magnificient nature. But I am the same way about life in general in regards to suffering and pain...neither can or should be avoided. In my youth, and until I learned this, my heart was frequently broken. Regardless, I am grateful I could/can sit with the pain and not feel obligated to alter a cat's life that I may suffer less.

Life is a risky business at best and pain and loss is unavoidable. More often than not, for me at least, the risk is worth the reward. In fact, it is often that very pain and loss which allows for greater depths and riches of love to manifest. I would prefer to give myself and others the gift of living fully, joyfully, passionately, creatively and with flair, rather than in a way that is stultified or stymied.

All that aside, I congratulate both camps for loving their critters as much as they do. It does my heart good.

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RE: Gawdamn fucking carnivores.... - 6/30/2012 2:27:47 AM   
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As a child, I hated dogs, because there were no leash laws at that time, so they were free to harass small children, due to negligent owners. My father was nearly mangled by one as a child, which is part of the reason our family never had one. Witnessing a pack of dogs rip one of my kittens to shreds did not help the matter. Nor did their constant harassment in pursuit of my paper route duties.

But a particular experience with one sweetheart dog on my paper route taught me 80% of what I needed to know about dogs, and animals of nature, all in one go. She had lain her teeth upon my arm, in service to protecting her masters as she saw fit (more negligent owners- let the dog run wild, and still expect me to put the newspaper on their front porch), but did not actually chomp down, because she somehow knew that I meant no harm. I thought - "if this dog knows so much about me, without actually knowing me, how come I don't know anything about dogs? We're 'smarter,' aren't we?"

From then on, I 'knew' about dogs, and more about cats, and more about every other critter. I used to hate it when a dog licked my face, yuck. But now I know the nature of dogs, the way they express themselves, and that they are basically pretty clean animals, so now I actually understand the flattery as given, and can accept it with no issue.

Dogs and cats don't understand humans completely, but they know the essentials about humans significantly more that humans know likewise about them.



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