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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

... the bill you were moaning about was not passed, it was rejected??back in 2009. ...

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ORIGINAL: joether
If you go back into the history books (and news clippings) for 1913 and just after that, there were a group of US Citizens that didnt like the passage of the 16th Amendment to the US Consitution. As it turns out, that little bit of taxation with representation helped this nation through the worst economic downturns, fight a bunch of imperialists and facists, paved highways, created one Kick-Ass military, sent space shuttles into outer space, and a whirlwind of other modern day marvels, over come the obsticles of the day. It makes one wonder, if it didnt pass, how different would America be today?

Its just a silly idea that our nation, for all its advancements in a wide range of fields, is still backwards when it comes to something that affects every one of us sooner or later, in small terms or big issues. And there are people, just like in 1913 whom didnt have any facts or evidence, but shouted from the highest building and banged fists on the longest tables in an effort to silence said facts and evidence from being heard. But, just like today, the facts and evidence is heard, and the US Citizens will grow to like the benefits of the bill.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

READ

THE

LAW

Is that an ObamaCare approved order? Will I be penalized if I don't? What percentage of my income will be taken if I fail to do so? It seems to me that this is what its advocates are settling on as their bulletproof counter argument. Are you saying that if I do so, I will be magically transformed? If I only truly understood it, I would be a supporter. Maybe the Care International Maitreya savior and world teacher has come and I would understand if only I read it! If you have a bulletproof counter argument, produce it.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You might come across as being semi-intelligent if you did...

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Ideology aside, the important question I believe is not whether the passing of the Affordable Care Act was a good thing or a bad thing, but how it will be implemented or how it should be implemented. Based on what you know, how will it be implemented? Alternatively, how do you feel it should be implemented?

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: joether
If you go back into the history books (and news clippings) for 1913 and just after that, there were a group of US Citizens that didnt like the passage of the 16th Amendment to the US Consitution. As it turns out, that little bit of taxation with representation helped this nation through the worst economic downturns, fight a bunch of imperialists and facists, paved highways, created one Kick-Ass military, sent space shuttles into outer space, and a whirlwind of other modern day marvels, over come the obsticles of the day. It makes one wonder, if it didnt pass, how different would America be today?

Its just a silly idea that our nation, for all its advancements in a wide range of fields, is still backwards when it comes to something that affects every one of us sooner or later, in small terms or big issues. And there are people, just like in 1913 whom didnt have any facts or evidence, but shouted from the highest building and banged fists on the longest tables in an effort to silence said facts and evidence from being heard. But, just like today, the facts and evidence is heard, and the US Citizens will grow to like the benefits of the bill.

Since you point to 1913, what is the current value of the Dollar in 1913 Dollars? Here's what it is. An item costing $1.00 in 1913 costs $23.21 today. That's an inflation rate of 2221.4%. If one has not read The Creature From Jekyll Island (Griffin) it's well worth it. Here's an online of it by the author.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Regardless of whether you do or don't....it's gonna cost a shitload.

For those that do (and I'm one)....I like it and I don't give a shit what it costs.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Regardless of whether you do or don't....it's gonna cost a shitload.

For those that do (and I'm one)....I like it and I don't give a shit what it costs.

On this point I am personally optimistic. I am more worried about the potential to violate my privacy, my rights under the constitution, etc than about the cost. I do anticipate to be one day a wealthy man. Why do you feel that it will "Cost a shitload."

Life and quality of life are awfully important, I agree. If the medical profession is able to deliver in a satisfactory manner it can be so argued that it will be worth paying a pretty penny for it.

Hopefully, by the time this law goes into effect I'll have the money to purchase medical insurance. It was already slated as one of the first things I would purchase when I had the money. The only reason I don't have it is due to affordability. I also feel that it is important to buy good medical insurance and not just any medical insurance.

Due to the need to "qualify" and because it is likely that I'll be mistreated as a citizen, I'm disappointed. Demanding your bank account number is mistreatment.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Well, I believe it's going to cost a shitload because, they've already told us it's going to cost a "lot".

Based on every other govt. program we've ever seen, since the beginning of our govt.....that basically means....a shitload.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Why do we pay an average of $8000 dollars a year,roughly double what European countries do?

"The average per capita cost of health care in the United States is over $8,000 annually, double the amount spent in most European countries. The Congressional Budget Office projects that unless costs are brought under control in the next decade, the nation will be spending all of its tax revenues on health care, Social Security, interest on the debt and defense — but mostly health care.

“If we solve our health care spending, practically all of our fiscal problems go away,” said Victor Fuchs, emeritus professor of economics and health research and policy at Stanford University. And if we don’t? “Then almost anything else we do will not solve our fiscal problems.”

Dr. Fuchs, who has been called the dean of American health care economists, has spent five decades studying the health care problem. In his view, what is needed is the sort of major change that comes once in a decade, perhaps, or even just once in a generation"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/health/policy/an-interview-with-victor-fuchs-on-health-care-costs.html

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

... Law exists in a context. It is a context sensitive language. Generally speaking, what this means is that it is going to be hopelessly difficult for the average person and possibly even an institution with unlimited manpower.

They seem to be borrowing a great deal from discredited economics ...

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