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Rule -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 12:38:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: papassion
for any lifeforms to visit us, they would have to know a way to go much faster than the speed of light.

I do not know whether that is possible.

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ORIGINAL: papassion
Or they would have to have lifespans in the millions of years.

I doubt that is possible. Even the pagan gods themselves die.

However, one of the alien species I discerned appears to have a life span of approximately one thousand years.

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ORIGINAL: papassion
We don't know about their knowledge of science.

It likely is tens of thousands of years ahead of our knowledge of science.




calamitysandra -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 1:30:53 PM)

I do believe that there are other forms of life in the universe.
What it looks like, or as how evolved we would view it, I have no idea.
I simply feel, that our planet being the only one carrying life is too improbable.

Now, for the ancient aliens/chariots of the gods/Erich von Däniken nonsense, I refer you to Bad Archaeology




mnottertail -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 1:55:48 PM)

Ja, aber jetz ---one of yours (sorry for the spelling).

I wonder in all these alien civilizations, do the guys want blowjobs, ya think?   




calamitysandra -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 2:40:43 PM)

I am pretty sure, that if one thing is truly universal, it would be guys wanting blowjobs. [:D]





mnottertail -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 2:57:31 PM)

Ja, ich kann dies.




jlf1961 -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 3:41:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion


for any lifeforms to visit us, they would have to know a way to go much faster than the speed of light. Or they would have to have lifespans in the millions of years. In our stage of science both are impossible. We don't know about their knowledge of science.



Actually, they do not have to exceed the speed of light, all they have to do is warp spacetime, which would give the illusion of supraluminal speeds without actually breaking the laws of physics.




vincentML -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 3:45:39 PM)

~FR~

Ohhh, I hate to offer anything serious with all this talk of ET blowjobs but here is an article that estimates the probability of intelligent life elsewhere in our Universe at only one/hundredth of one percent [0.01%]

The limitations being that we evolved so late on this planet due to the need for four distinct sequential stages of evolution, when the planet was already in its old age.

Prof Watson suggests the number of evolutionary steps needed to create intelligent life, in the case of humans, is four. These probably include the emergence of single-celled bacteria, complex cells, specialized cells allowing complex life forms, and intelligent life with an established language.

“Complex life is separated from the simplest life forms by several very unlikely steps and therefore will be much less common. Intelligence is one step further, so it is much less common still,” said Prof Watson.


What Are The Odds?




vincentML -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 3:51:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: papassion


for any lifeforms to visit us, they would have to know a way to go much faster than the speed of light. Or they would have to have lifespans in the millions of years. In our stage of science both are impossible. We don't know about their knowledge of science.



Actually, they do not have to exceed the speed of light, all they have to do is warp spacetime, which would give the illusion of supraluminal speeds without actually breaking the laws of physics.


It would give the illusion to us measuring from our position but would it change their travel time from their perspective?




jlf1961 -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 4:20:38 PM)

By warping spacetime, the area of spacetime in front of the ship contracts, and the area of space time behind the ship expands. In essence, space is moving around the ship, the ship doesnt move at all. To someone watching from outside the bubble of space the ship is in, it appears the ship is moving faster than light.

As far as the effects associated with moving at near the speed of light, those will not occur.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 4:44:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

We are but a tiny little speck in a solar system on the outer rim of the Milky Way Galaxy. How many more solar systems are in the Milky Way Galaxy alone?

How many galaxies are out there? How many solar systems in all the galaxies? 12

To believe that none of the planets in these far away solar systems have produced any form of intelligent life is a bit geocentric. (Look at our planet....do the math).

I, too, have watched the series Ancient Aliens. While I find some of the theories on that program a little far fetched, I do believe we have been visited throughout time and continue to be visited.

Perhaps we, as a species, did not even originate on this planet, but are the descendants of space travelers who continue to check on their "experiment" even thousands of years after it began.






littlewonder -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 4:49:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

~FR~

Ohhh, I hate to offer anything serious with all this talk of ET blowjobs but here is an article that estimates the probability of intelligent life elsewhere in our Universe at only one/hundredth of one percent [0.01%]

The limitations being that we evolved so late on this planet due to the need for four distinct sequential stages of evolution, when the planet was already in its old age.

Prof Watson suggests the number of evolutionary steps needed to create intelligent life, in the case of humans, is four. These probably include the emergence of single-celled bacteria, complex cells, specialized cells allowing complex life forms, and intelligent life with an established language.

“Complex life is separated from the simplest life forms by several very unlikely steps and therefore will be much less common. Intelligence is one step further, so it is much less common still,” said Prof Watson.


What Are The Odds?



Exactly. The link I gave earlier believes the same thing and seems to be becoming a more popular theory and I have to say it completely makes sense on a scientific and statistical level. Anything else is just wishful thinking.




TheHeretic -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 6:43:44 PM)

If I'm wrong here, I'm sure someone will point it out, but I think the esteemed professor from the University of East Anglia's position would be that one planet in 10,000 capable of supporting life, might actually produce intelligent life, rather than saying it is a 1 in 10,000 chance that intelligent life, other than us, exists at all.

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The Earth’s biosphere is now in its old age and this has implications for our understanding of the likelihood of complex life and intelligence arising on any given planet,” said Prof Watson.



It's a mighty big universe.




JanahX -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 6:52:42 PM)

OF COURSE THERE IS!!!

where the HELL do you think XENU came from?!?!?!

And dont tell me he isnt real - Tom Cruise sais its SO !

and if you dont believe me, here is the proof.

Tom Cruise completely nutting the fuck out link: Press HERE --------------> http://youtu.be/UFBZ_uAbxS0




vincentML -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 6:52:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If I'm wrong here, I'm sure someone will point it out, but I think the esteemed professor from the University of East Anglia's position would be that one planet in 10,000 capable of supporting life, might actually produce intelligent life, rather than saying it is a 1 in 10,000 chance that intelligent life, other than us, exists at all.

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The Earth’s biosphere is now in its old age and this has implications for our understanding of the likelihood of complex life and intelligence arising on any given planet,” said Prof Watson.



It's a mighty big universe.


You may be right, Rich. It may be read that way and it is a big Universe. However, we have so far found no other planet that has an abundance of water, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen molecules (all essential to carbon-based life) and until we do it may be a moot point.




vincentML -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 7:04:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

By warping spacetime, the area of spacetime in front of the ship contracts, and the area of space time behind the ship expands. In essence, space is moving around the ship, the ship doesnt move at all. To someone watching from outside the bubble of space the ship is in, it appears the ship is moving faster than light.

As far as the effects associated with moving at near the speed of light, those will not occur.


My understand of warped spacetime is that it occurs in the vicinity of huge mass (planets, stars, galaxies) and causes gravitational effects. How would it be accomplished by a vehicle?

Space moving around the ship? Reminds me of the Bernoulli Effect over an aerodynamic shaped wing or a curving baseball. Space moves? Can you cite a reference for me? I would like to read more. Thanks [:)]




TheHeretic -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 7:17:44 PM)

That's true, Vince, but our ability to detect such planets is still very much in its infancy. The theory may be dead on, in terms of intelligent life that we might somehow find, but that really wasn't my question, anyway.

There's no need to swap apple pie recipes with them. It's just difficult to look up into a night sky not polluted by artificial light, and think that all that, is just for us to look at.




vincentML -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 7:35:35 PM)

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There's no need to swap apple pie recipes with them. It's just difficult to look up into a night sky not polluted by artificial light, and think that all that, is just for us to look at.


It is awe inspiring and seems magical, Rich. Overwhelming even. But wishing doesn't make it so. However, who knows? Someday we may find a planet with the right climate and chemical conditions. Seems a long shot to me, but you may be right.

ETA maybe there is NO purpose. Bummer.




Marini -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 8:08:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That's true, Vince, but our ability to detect such planets is still very much in its infancy. The theory may be dead on, in terms of intelligent life that we might somehow find, but that really wasn't my question, anyway.

There's no need to swap apple pie recipes with them. It's just difficult to look up into a night sky not polluted by artificial light, and think that all that, is just for us to look at.


As you said, we are in the infancy stages of learning about other
galaxies, solar systems,etc.

Humans are very impatient, they need proof and they need it NOW, or it does not exist or can't be a possibility.

Rich, can we have these type of discussions any more?
It seems like we can't discuss the possibility of life on another planet without PROOF.
Everything must be "proven", or many would have you believe that you can't have a thought, opinion, or belief without "PROOF".

New discoveries are being made on a very frequent basis, and it is very exciting to say the least.

The Daily Galaxy




TheHeretic -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 8:17:32 PM)

Great link, Mari! Thanks!




littlewonder -> RE: Life out there? (7/2/2012 9:42:17 PM)

Ok, so where are the citations for the articles on DailyGalaxy? I read some of their stories but all the links just lead back to its own site or wikipedia. Where are the links to the cites from scientific journals or scientists? Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place.




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