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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:25:30 PM   
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Now, suddenly, again, presidents are fully responsible for everything that everyone does at all levels underneath them?

How long is that supposition going to last

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The aftermath was his fault.

Tell me why ice ended up in Maryland...

Friday, NBC News located hundreds of trucks full of ice sitting around the country: in Maryland, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. Some had been on trips to nowhere for the past two weeks.

“We really don’t understand,” said Palmer, “why FEMA is sending to all these different locations and just putting us in cold storage.”

Dan Wessels’ Cool Express ice company has worked with FEMA for years. He says he's never seen anything like it — only one-third of his trucks have actually unloaded the ice that FEMA ordered.

“The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing,” said Wessels. “The right hand is telling us to go to the left hand. We get to the left hand, they tell us to go back."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369937/ns/nbcnightlynews-nbc_news_investigates/t/fema-ice-follies/



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:26:43 PM   
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No, that is unsubstantiated partisan bloviating

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Now that is a fact.




No, it's not...

MM and I disagree on probably 70% or more of things but (at least my take on his comment was) he was talking about the fact that Carter put solar panels on the White House roof and the FIRST act as Prez that Reagan did (nothing to do with interest rates, then the highest since the Civil War, nothing at all to do with the economy) was a blatant "FUCK YOU"...remove the solar panels and then came out and proclaimed that Americans had some kind of right to an energy economy of "turn the fucking heat up, grab your GTO and burn some rubber" (of course, I'm making up these words...but that was the essence of it)...fuck all the planning for the future...get ready people I'm just getting my matches out, ready to light the fuse on the credit card....it's party time...a new keg is on the way....

And had we stuck with even a modicum of "guess what peeps...we don't own rights to the world's oil and at 25% usage and 4% of the world population we DON'T have any special right to oil or wastefulness"....we'd be better off today.

We're not special. We kicked ass in Japan and Germany and that was a wonderful thing but...like the last thing you did at your job, that was yesterday's news. The world grew up and recently (since the mid 90's) said "what have you done for me lately?"

Today we're only now learning what it's like to be a true world citizen and, by default, many of us ARE wearing sweaters.

We could have been wearing sweaters that entire time, just as happy, and with more in the bank...further along in this whole malady of debt, much less of it no doubt.

And today, what are we doing now...30 some years later?

Many of us are setting up solar panels at our homes, driving hybrids, putting up windmills, insulating our walls, planning our trips more carefully....all the things that Carter proposed and Reagan dismissed as hooey.

And wearing sweaters.

Hooey indeed.

Look at how much you pay for gas today.

What would you pay today if the world's oil suppliers didn't think you needed a fix?

Moreover, knew you didn't need a fix.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:29:08 PM   
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Again, Bush tried to head off the banking disaster that Dems (especially Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton) instigated

But the Dems blocked Bushs efforts, even claimed there wasnt an issue

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Yay for Sanity, he has spotted that none of the current problems stem from the 2008 crash, caused by the US banking system under Bush, and it is Obamas fault the world is in recession. WTG dude. [/sarcasm]



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:32:17 PM   
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Again, Bush tried to head off the banking disaster that Dems (especially Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton) instigated

But the Dems blocked Bushs efforts, even claimed there wasnt an issue

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Yay for Sanity, he has spotted that none of the current problems stem from the 2008 crash, caused by the US banking system under Bush, and it is Obamas fault the world is in recession. WTG dude. [/sarcasm]




Yada yada yada....Bush had 8 years to change the regulations, and like Brown and Blair in the UK, chose not to. The reason being was the revenue brought in by banks paying tax.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:34:57 PM   
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No shit?

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(of course, I'm making up these words


We use that energy to DO things, MAKE things. Feed the world, take care of our people and protect people around the globe in various ways. Using energy isnt a bad thing in any way, allowing the elderly to drive to the market rather than cowr in their homes, allow the poor jobs and air conditioning isnt evil.

Youve only been brainwashed to believe that by morons

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:36:17 PM   
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Now, suddenly, again, presidents are fully responsible for everything that everyone does at all levels underneath them?

How long is that supposition going to last


Bush directly appointed Brown who fucked it all up. I would say that IS all on Bush.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:37:00 PM   
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Try again, its a fact that the Dems caused it and the Dems actively refused the needed reforms to head it off

Its all in the link, but I am used to leftists such as yourself remaining willfully ignorant so by all means, enjoy your very peculiar bliss

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Again, Bush tried to head off the banking disaster that Dems (especially Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton) instigated

But the Dems blocked Bushs efforts, even claimed there wasnt an issue

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yay for Sanity, he has spotted that none of the current problems stem from the 2008 crash, caused by the US banking system under Bush, and it is Obamas fault the world is in recession. WTG dude. [/sarcasm]




Yada yada yada....Bush had 8 years to change the regulations, and like Brown and Blair in the UK, chose not to. The reason being was the revenue brought in by banks paying tax.



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:49:35 PM   
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Again, if the fed were to take care of only the things it was meant to there would be a surplus in the treasury and an extremely vibrant economy

The Fed did--it bought us out of two Bush recessions. Trouble is, the GOP did nothing to fix the fiscal problem, leaving interest rates near zero. Oops.

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And make up your mind, you were earlier telling us Romney had no plan

...to fix the economy. And jacking up military spending while taking tax cuts even further will worsen the situation; that's the "plan" that got us here.

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Further, where is your evidence that Obama is going to cut the military to the point that we are left with no real defense. Where is your evidence that Norway and Sweden are finally going to begin to tow the line on defense against the various rogue nations so that we can perhaps relax a little bit in that regard

Why would I need evidence for this? I'm making no such claim.

But he ISN'T going to expand the military to force things the Pentagon doesn't even want on it. Nor is he abandoning the role the military plans in the world---we're you bitching about his involvement non-stop?

Aren't you the guys always crying "We aren't the world's policemen!" Here suddenly we are.

Why do we need to expand that role? Beyond neo-con masturbation, I mean.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:49:40 PM   
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And the teabaggers and neo-cons in the house raise the debt ceiling, borrow and spend, borrow and spend,  and havent done one goddamn thing about it.

Thanks for pointing that out so splendidly to the liberal media. 

The House is only 1/3rd of the budget legislation equation...the Communist, Socialist and Progressive Demoncraps in the Senate and Marxist Demoncrap in the White House are 2/3rds of the equation.

Thanks for encouraging me to point out that 2/3rds trumps 1/3rd every time.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:50:35 PM   
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Mealy-Mouthed Carters "initiatives" amounted to put on a sweater, turn down the heat, stop enjoying affordable fuel and prepare for Americas decline

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I agree, Lookie. He completed what Bush started. Point is, he didn't pursue disastrous energy policies, and some are pretending. Just the opposite.

Had Reagan not immediately killed all of Carter's initiatives, just imagine where we'd be today energy wise. Now we're a follower, while the rest of the world innovates.



Au contraire. He started several green industry programs and initiatives--all cancelled immediately by Reagan.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:52:48 PM   
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But it was all on Bush. So by that standard this current economy, after 3 1/2 years, is all Obamas


I blame Obama for Sanity. Why doesn't he do something???

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 5:55:05 PM   
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Yada yada yada....Bush had 8 years to change the regulations, and like Brown and Blair in the UK, chose not to.


Word.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/8/2012 8:59:25 PM   
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And guess what else

Nearly half of all blacks are dealing with chronic long-term unemployment

Why do leftists hate brown people? Release the energy, cut back on the overbearing regulations and bureaucratic red tape.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS THAT YOU PROMISED US MR OBAMA


At first I didn't like this thread, but now I am glad you started this thread.

Sanity, President Obama can't create jobs out of thin air.
I am actually a bit tired of chatting about the millions of jobs that have been outsourced the last 30 years.
You certainly know the drill.

We all know the Republicans don't really care about those that are struggling, black, white or any other color.

The fact that you created this topic, actually thinking that anyone struggling or not doing well, would actually THINK that Romney is going to help them, is still pretty funny.

Sanity, you are reaching, really really hard.

Please enlighten us on how Romney is going to "help" lower Black unemployment, help anyone struggling of ANY race, creed or color, or do anything to uplift the oppressed, downtrodden or struggling in America?

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 3:23:07 AM   
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Try again, its a fact that the Dems caused it and the Dems actively refused the needed reforms to head it off

Its all in the link, but I am used to leftists such as yourself remaining willfully ignorant so by all means, enjoy your very peculiar bliss.


Your comments show little understanding of what went wrong, and no understanding of UK politics. Just as in 2008 you are spending all your time clutching at straws.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 3:50:34 AM   
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If our politicians werent killing us by raiding the treasury to try to buy votes and making people dependent on the federal government for a handout, werent in everyones business to the point that Americans cant DO business any longer...

All of that would be a piece of cake.

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I don't recall Pisspants mentioning any of that. Hell, there hasn't been a Republican who's even tried to do any of that little lot since Nixon.
(And if there had been, you'd doubtless have spent his term in office bitching about him being a RINO and why hasn't he been impeached...)



So why was that all beyond the Chimp, Bush prime and Reagan, then?
Oh that's right: they were raiding the treasury to bribe people who might give their party a handout with tax cuts instead, and encouraging American business to move it's production out of the country to make sure that none of the wealth it was generating would trickle down.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 8:46:10 AM   
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The White House Office of budget and Mangement says the Obama administration ADDED 123,000 jobs or 6.2 percent. However the Obama government is SMALLER than Government was in 1992. Clinton made government smaller, and Bush and Obama caused it to grow. Depending what you want to show, Bush caused deficiet to grow at 2X Obama's rate. But Obama's deficiet is Larger than Bushes.

If my budget spending is 20.00, and I increase it to 40.00, I had a big percentage increase. but if my budget spending is 1,000,000. and I increase it to 1,500,000, I had a SMALLER percentage of increase but a total dollar INCREASE in dollars spent. Somebody explain that to Racheal Maddog when she bullshit how Bush spent more.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 8:49:37 AM   
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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 8:53:29 AM   
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Now, suddenly, again, presidents are fully responsible for everything that everyone does at all levels underneath them?

What's sudden about it?
Nixon used to maintain that the buck stopped with him. I wonder what it is about Republican presidents since that makes them so shit scared of accepting any responsibility for the actions of their underlings. I suppose it's the David Brent theory of government...

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/9/2012 3:33:48 PM   
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And guess what else

Nearly half of all blacks are dealing with chronic long-term unemployment

Why do leftists hate brown people? Release the energy, cut back on the overbearing regulations and bureaucratic red tape.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS THAT YOU PROMISED US MR OBAMA

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And guess what?

For the last 10 years or so, with oil between 80 and 140 bucks a barrel....people put on sweaters, turned their heat down, insulated their homes, bought more efficient vehicles, installed heat pumps.

(What a concept....kind of like what our grandparents did).





I always wonder (I know I should know but....I'm a halfwit....DomKen said so, so it must be true) which ones are the left and which ones are the right....I never gave a shit about politics because I learned a looooong time ago that I make more money when I focus on my business....not politics....but....Sanity, I have to say...you always bring something meaty to the table (and always worth discussion).

But I have to ad (and I would refer to my boringly lengthy post above), when you say that "Nearly half of all blacks are dealing with chronic long-term unemployment" and (essentially) "what are you going to do about it Mr Obama?"....

He can't do anything about it.

Blacks can't increase their employment until they choose to educate themselves, refuse to leave unwanted children in the hands of unwed mothers and....stop shooting each other, etc.

(And of course, quit selling drugs, wishing they were a rap or basketball star and realize that the %'s and likelihood of that are so infinitesimally small, that they'd be better off betting that the 27th guy who drives through the Lincoln Tunnel in NY after exactly 6:00 a.m. every 3rd Tuesday was wearing a red tie and green socks, driving a Taurus).

And the same goes for every race and person who hasn't done as well as they could have, had they given it just a bit more effort.

It isn't (any) President(s) responsibility to provide jobs to any group....any.

It's the Presidents job to ensure opportunity.

Nothing more.


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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 6:01:38 AM   
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At first I didn't like this thread, but now I am glad you started this thread.

Sanity, President Obama can't create jobs out of thin air.


No, but with presidential leadership the federal government could get out of the way and allow the private sector to create jobs. EXAMPLE - Obamas actions and attitude regarding coal and "big oil" are holding back an entire sector, the energy sector. Why demonize any business? Oh yes, because he has rich white friends in "green energy" who give him lots and lots of campaign cash. Americans NEED affordable energy, to fuel industry and for myriad other uses... Too bad, Obama has special interest groups he has to serve instead.

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I am actually a bit tired of chatting about the millions of jobs that have been outsourced the last 30 years.
You certainly know the drill.

We all know the Republicans don't really care about those that are struggling, black, white or any other color.


WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons. Obamas bright idea? Pile on more (see Obamacare for one source of more red tape). Looks like its Obama who hates the poor blacks and whites and everyone else, only seems to love the Chinese who have a much better business environment than we do. Think about that, the COMMUNISTS are more favorable to capitalism than we are. Businesses can profit making things like decorative lead bookends in China and ship them all the way across the ocean at todays fuel prices and still make more profit than if companies make them here

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The fact that you created this topic, actually thinking that anyone struggling or not doing well, would actually THINK that Romney is going to help them, is still pretty funny.

Sanity, you are reaching, really really hard.



Obama has a lot of good sounding rhetoric Marini. The man can really read a teleprompter like nobodys business, but where are the damn jobs his teleprompter said we would have by now? Fact is, we are headed in the wrong direction and pretty speeches and good intentions dont add up to a hill of beans when people are looking for work and there isnt any

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Please enlighten us on how Romney is going to "help" lower Black unemployment, help anyone struggling of ANY race, creed or color, or do anything to uplift the oppressed, downtrodden or struggling in America?


Undo Obamas socialist anti-business machinations

Or at least slow down their implementation. Create a better FRIENDLIER business environment. Quit attacking "the rich" as if having a successful business is something to be despised, let people know they can turn a profit here and they wont be taxed back to the stone age as a result

There are a few ideas for you, read what other Conservatives are putting down for some other ideas if you really are interested in learning







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