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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 6:18:59 AM   
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WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons.


Clearly you've much to learn about business. Attitude isn't the determining factor.

I outsource to Brazil and Canada. What red tape?

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 7:56:02 AM   
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If you really did any substantial business in America you would know about bureaucratic red tape


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WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons.


Clearly you've much to learn about business. Attitude isn't the determining factor.

I outsource to Brazil and Canada. What red tape?



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 8:00:29 AM   
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If you really did any substantial business in America you would know about bureaucratic red tape


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WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons.


Clearly you've much to learn about business. Attitude isn't the determining factor.

I outsource to Brazil and Canada. What red tape?




LOL, what the fuck would you know about substantial business in america?

You come out here every day and boastfully prove how little you know on any subject which you rant upon.

Give us the facts, the ins and outs of this red tape. Not something sucked out of Rushes ass.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 8:37:33 AM   
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If you really did any substantial business in America you would know about bureaucratic red tape


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WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons.


Clearly you've much to learn about business. Attitude isn't the determining factor.

I outsource to Brazil and Canada. What red tape?



Perhaps you've heard of the Internet.

If you had any clue about business, you could be specific about this "red tape."

Get a clue. I outsource for web/SEO and marketing. But many people outsource production, call centers, virtual assistants--all simple transactions no more complicated (in fact, LESS complicated) than ordering a book from the UK.



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 9:14:05 AM   
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Are you really so obtuse or are you just trying to obfuscate here

Look up the word "substantial" and ponder how it relates in the context of my above post. Look beyond your own nose, there is a bigger picture. A whole nother world beyond your own

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 9:16:22 AM   
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Exactly, you got your dick in your hand.  No fact.  No credible citations.  Nebulous 'red tape'.  We hear the felching sounds.   

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 1:06:24 PM   
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Perhaps you might want to look in the want ads for a machine tool programers position.
H1B programers work for $20 per hour. Citizens of the u.s. who are programers charge about $100 per hour. Only the most puerile of minds would fail to see the reason that the corporations you list above would be interested in hiring non citizens.


Well, we've already determined I'm puerile.


You may have acknowledged that you are puerile. I have only pointed out that your post are puerile,ignorant and insipid.

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And those corporations....silly me...I forgot, they're just pricks....not interested in profits or people who can produce.

Clearly the puerile moniker fits me to a T.

I bow down....


Why is it that you put corporate profits ahead of jobs for u.s. citizens? There is no shortage of programers just a shortage of those who will work for $20 per hour.


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I actually don't {put corporate profits ahead of jobs for U.S. citizens} (I, however, don't need people who have the skills required by people who tend to have H1-B visa's), and indeed, I hire U.S. citizens.


There are u.s. citizens who are qualified but who are disinclined to work for $20 an hour.

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While I can't speak for everyone who comes to the U.S. on an H1-B visa or for that matter, all the company's who hire those who do, Microsoft starts at about 70K


This is $35 per hour quite a far cry from the $100+ that a u.s. citizen gets.
After you outsource all the jobs and h1b those jobs you cant outsource are you going to outsource your customers also?

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for those people and most stay and get permanent visa's (hence why the Seattle, but more specifically, the Bellevue/Redmond MSA's are some of the fastest growing in the country). It's also why some of the fastest growing increases in rental (apartments/houses) rates are in the Seattle metro area (because they can afford it....because they're paid exceptionally well...because they're incredibly educated people).


Do you really think $35 an hour is being paid exceptionally well?

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Thompson...you can run on all night if you want....I'm heading out...but the facts speak for themselves. People who study (here, in India, Uganda, Brazil or anyplace else for that matter) are in demand, worldwide. If they don't study....aren't educated, they will earn less. It's fairly simple stuff my friend. (Really it is).


I have pointed out that your post is full of shit. Bill gates is poorly educated and he is one of the ten richest men in the world. Carlos slim is the richest man in the world and he has no college degree.
Peter thiel the founder of pay pal is paying college students $100,000 each to drop out of college.
All of which disproves your horatio alger up by the boot straps bullshit.


If they were available here....they'd be hired.

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They aren't (here) hence why company's like those mentioned above, search the world over for them....(and pay them far more than $20.00 an hour to get them here).


Grammar school teachers and truck drivers make more than the chicken shit $35 an hour you are holding up as some big money for a programer.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 1:59:29 PM   
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Bill gates is poorly educated and he is one of the ten richest men in the world.

Not quite. He dropped out of law school to concentrate on his software company, but he'd had a rather expensive education prior to that, as the fact that he dropped out of university implies.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 3:07:55 PM   
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Are you really so obtuse or are you just trying to obfuscate here

Look up the word "substantial" and ponder how it relates in the context of my above post. Look beyond your own nose, there is a bigger picture. A whole nother world beyond your own

So you got nothing.

Busted.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 3:41:37 PM   
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WTF are you mumbling about

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Are you really so obtuse or are you just trying to obfuscate here

Look up the word "substantial" and ponder how it relates in the context of my above post. Look beyond your own nose, there is a bigger picture. A whole nother world beyond your own

So you got nothing.

Busted.



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 3:42:37 PM   
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Its bad enough you have nothing but lies and rushfelching without comprehension, but simple english statements are now confusing?



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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 4:34:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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WHY would a business choose to outsource? Too much cumbersome bureaucratic red tape here to do business, among other reasons.


Clearly you've much to learn about business. Attitude isn't the determining factor.

I outsource to Brazil and Canada. What red tape?


Everyone that shops at WalMart/Target/Dollar Store/ARCO/SAM's/Costco (which is pretty much everyone).....outsources.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 4:35:51 PM   
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Are you really so obtuse or are you just trying to obfuscate here

Look up the word "substantial" and ponder how it relates in the context of my above post. Look beyond your own nose, there is a bigger picture. A whole nother world beyond your own


Sanity....are you truly so outside of the real world that you don't grasp what's happening?

The world has changed.

(It's real).

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 4:36:09 PM   
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lol! True.


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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/10/2012 4:54:05 PM   
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Perhaps you might want to look in the want ads for a machine tool programers position.
H1B programers work for $20 per hour. Citizens of the u.s. who are programers charge about $100 per hour. Only the most puerile of minds would fail to see the reason that the corporations you list above would be interested in hiring non citizens.


Well, we've already determined I'm puerile.


You may have acknowledged that you are puerile. I have only pointed out that your post are puerile,ignorant and insipid.

Well, as Elvis said once...."thank you....thank you vury muuuch"


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And those corporations....silly me...I forgot, they're just pricks....not interested in profits or people who can produce.

Clearly the puerile moniker fits me to a T.

I bow down....


Why is it that you put corporate profits ahead of jobs for u.s. citizens? There is no shortage of programers just a shortage of those who will work for $20 per hour.


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I actually don't {put corporate profits ahead of jobs for U.S. citizens} (I, however, don't need people who have the skills required by people who tend to have H1-B visa's), and indeed, I hire U.S. citizens.


There are u.s. citizens who are qualified but who are disinclined to work for $20 an hour. And so they shouldn't (work for 20 bucks an hour...their option)...this is after all, America.

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While I can't speak for everyone who comes to the U.S. on an H1-B visa or for that matter, all the company's who hire those who do, Microsoft starts at about 70K


This is $35 per hour quite a far cry from the $100+ that a u.s. citizen gets. Ya know what...you've been asking for links all along...provide them...show the rest of us where the MAJORITY of American workers are getting $100.00 an hour for software work where H1-B Visa's are the mainstay. Go ahead....show us....(and I'm fairly confident I stated more than clearly...those were "starting" wages.
After you outsource all the jobs and h1b those jobs you cant outsource are you going to outsource your customers also?

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I don't think so because, the customers for these corporations (I listed them...in ABUNDANCE in a previous post) are global.
for those people and most stay and get permanent visa's (hence why the Seattle, but more specifically, the Bellevue/Redmond MSA's are some of the fastest growing in the country). It's also why some of the fastest growing increases in rental (apartments/houses) rates are in the Seattle metro area (because they can afford it....because they're paid exceptionally well...because they're incredibly educated people).


Do you really think $35 an hour is being paid exceptionally well? Not at all for someone in New York/Manhattan, certainly a great wage for someone in Kansas....considering that the AVERAGE wage in the United States is approx. $22.00 an hour...I'd venture a guess most wouldn't mind earning that wage.

(Something tells me most reading this post would be thrilled to make $35.00 an hour...starting wage...which would further indicate that $100.00 an hour ain't so predominant...provide links).

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Thompson...you can run on all night if you want....I'm heading out...but the facts speak for themselves. People who study (here, in India, Uganda, Brazil or anyplace else for that matter) are in demand, worldwide. If they don't study....aren't educated, they will earn less. It's fairly simple stuff my friend. (Really it is).


I have pointed out that your post is full of shit. Bill gates is poorly educated (Really....that's fascinating. The guy lives in a 55,000 sf house, has security attache's every time he goes out to get a popsicle, is worth 8 kabillion dollars, has almost (by himself) eradicated malaria in several hemispheres....he probably has an IQ of a dated road sign...right...sure....) and he is one of the ten richest men in the world. Carlos slim is the richest man in the world and he has no college degree.
Peter thiel the founder of pay pal is paying college students $100,000 each to drop out of college.
All of which disproves your horatio alger up by the boot straps bullshit.


I actually don't recall making any kind of correlation to a lack of education and a corresponding flood of success, rather, a lack of education and a veritable wasteland of success (as in having none by virtue)...rather, I think I was far more than quite specific that an education is remarkably important, and however you "get" it is really immaterial, but that you should indeed....get it. As to Mr Gates...he certainly has one, he obtained one...and he is one smart motherfucker, even if you continue to believe he is not, or has not.

If they were available here....they'd be hired.

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They aren't (here) hence why company's like those mentioned above, search the world over for them....(and pay them far more than $20.00 an hour to get them here).


Grammar school teachers and truck drivers make more than the chicken shit $35 an hour you are holding up as some big money for a programer.

Awesome bud....pick up some chicken shit....have at it bud....you da man....go for it

Come on Bubba...show what you got...link us all up.



Thompson...did you eat paint chips as a child?


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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/18/2012 7:29:30 AM   
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Bill gates is poorly educated and he is one of the ten richest men in the world.

Not quite. He dropped out of law school to concentrate on his software company, but he'd had a rather expensive education prior to that, as the fact that he dropped out of university implies.


According to bill gates he dropped out of harvard college,not law school, after the first semester of his junior year.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/18/2012 7:32:10 AM   
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Grammar school teachers and truck drivers make more than the chicken shit $35 an hour you are holding up as some big money for a programer.

Awesome bud....pick up some chicken shit....have at it bud....you da man....go for it

Come on Bubba...show what you got...link us all up.


Would you like a cite for what time it is?
The waages of u.s. workers is easily avilable on line...google can be your friend.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/18/2012 7:46:53 AM   
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Bill gates is poorly educated and he is one of the ten richest men in the world.

Not quite. He dropped out of law school to concentrate on his software company, but he'd had a rather expensive education prior to that, as the fact that he dropped out of university implies.


According to bill gates he dropped out of harvard college,not law school, after the first semester of his junior year.

How does not finishing college make one "poorly educated"? Is there no benefit to the earlier years until one hits sheepskin? Does reading, networking, experience count as education?

Truth is, he was exceedingly well educated about computers from the earliest days. He didn't spring from Zeus' head in full armor.

At 13 Gates enrolled in the Lakeside School, an exclusive preparatory school.[20] When he was in the eighth grade, the Mothers Club at the school used proceeds from Lakeside School's rummage sale to buy a Teletype Model 33 ASR terminal and a block of computer time on a General Electric (GE) computer for the school's students.[21] Gates took an interest in programming the GE system in BASIC, and was excused from math classes to pursue his interest. He wrote his first computer program on this machine: an implementation of tic-tac-toe that allowed users to play games against the computer. Gates was fascinated by the machine and how it would always execute software code perfectly. When he reflected back on that moment, he said, "There was just something neat about the machine."[22] After the Mothers Club donation was exhausted, he and other students sought time on systems including DEC PDP minicomputers. One of these systems was a PDP-10 belonging to Computer Center Corporation (CCC), which banned four Lakeside students—Gates, Paul Allen, Ric Weiland, and Kent Evans—for the summer after it caught them exploiting bugs in the operating system to obtain free computer time.[23]

At the end of the ban, the four students offered to find bugs in CCC's software in exchange for computer time. Rather than use the system via Teletype, Gates went to CCC's offices and studied source code for various programs that ran on the system, including programs in FORTRAN, LISP, and machine language. The arrangement with CCC continued until 1970, when the company went out of business. The following year, Information Sciences, Inc. hired the four Lakeside students to write a payroll program in COBOL, providing them computer time and royalties. After his administrators became aware of his programming abilities, Gates wrote the school's computer program to schedule students in classes. He modified the code so that he was placed in classes with mostly female students. He later stated that "it was hard to tear myself away from a machine at which I could so unambiguously demonstrate success."[22] At age 17, Gates formed a venture with Allen, called Traf-O-Data, to make traffic counters based on the Intel 8008 processor.[24] In early 1973, Bill Gates served as a congressional page in the U.S. House of Representatives.[25]

Gates graduated from Lakeside School in 1973. He scored 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT[26] and enrolled at Harvard College in the autumn of 1973.[27] While at Harvard, he met Steve Ballmer, who later succeeded Gates as CEO of Microsoft.

In his sophomore year, Gates devised an algorithm for pancake sorting as a solution to one of a series of unsolved problems[28] presented in a combinatorics class by Harry Lewis, one of his professors. Gates's solution held the record as the fastest version for over thirty years;[28][29] its successor is faster by only one percent.[28] His solution was later formalized in a published paper in collaboration with Harvard computer scientist Christos Papadimitriou.[30]

Gates did not have a definite study plan while a student at Harvard[31] and spent a lot of time using the school's computers. Gates remained in contact with Paul Allen, and he joined him at Honeywell during the summer of 1974.[32] The following year saw the release of the MITS Altair 8800 based on the Intel 8080 CPU, and Gates and Allen saw this as the opportunity to start their own computer software company.[33] He had talked this decision over with his parents, who were supportive of him after seeing how much Gates wanted to start a company.[31]

After reading the January 1975 issue of Popular Electronics that demonstrated the Altair 8800, Gates contacted Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems (MITS), the creators of the new microcomputer, to inform them that he and others were working on a BASIC interpreter for the platform.[34] In reality, Gates and Allen did not have an Altair and had not written code for it; they merely wanted to gauge MITS's interest. MITS president Ed Roberts agreed to meet them for a demo, and over the course of a few weeks they developed an Altair emulator that ran on a minicomputer, and then the BASIC interpreter. The demonstration, held at MITS's offices in Albuquerque was a success and resulted in a deal with MITS to distribute the interpreter as Altair BASIC. Paul Allen was hired into MITS,[35] and Gates took a leave of absence from Harvard to work with Allen at MITS in Albuquerque in November 1975. They named their partnership "Micro-Soft" and had their first office located in Albuquerque.[35] Within a year, the hyphen was dropped, and on November 26, 1976, the trade name "Microsoft" was registered with the Office of the Secretary of the State of New Mexico.[35] Gates never returned to Harvard to complete his studies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

This myth of the ignorant entrepreneur is just that--a myth. Readily granted, formal education is not the end-all golden path to success. But people who don't strictly follow its prescriptions are actively engaged in education elsewhere.

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/18/2012 7:52:06 AM   
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While I can't speak for everyone who comes to the U.S. on an H1-B visa or for that matter, all the company's who hire those who do, Microsoft starts at about 70K

This is $35 per hour quite a far cry from the $100+ that a u.s. citizen gets. Ya know what...you've been asking for links all along...provide them...show the rest of us where the MAJORITY of American workers are getting $100.00 an hour for software work where H1-B Visa's are the mainstay. Go ahead....show us....


Why the fuck would I try to prove somthing I did not say?

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(and I'm fairly confident I stated more than clearly...those were "starting" wages.


Staring wages for a journeyman machine programer?????
The h1b boys are not apprentices they are journeymen.
Journeymen work for scale, unless of course, you are a h1b imported wage slave.
Should you ever figure out what you are talking about please feel free to post


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After you outsource all the jobs and h1b those jobs you cant outsource are you going to outsource your customers also?

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RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% - 7/18/2012 7:53:30 AM   
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Cutting the "red tape"(regulations/rules) is what lead to the '08' crash........

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Of course businesses want to do as little as possible to make a profit.That`s Bus. 101.


Many/most would dump their toxic waste behind their buildings if the could and would save huge amounts of money.


Many/most banks would run two sets of books.............if they could.


Many/most mega food companies would cheat us through tricks and fraud.


What the lunatic fringe wants.....is for the market to "regulate itself" and police itself.


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