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Sanity -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:05:12 PM)


The choices are clear

Leftists offer a death spiral of an ever deepening welfare state with current spending levels by all reasonable accounts unsustainable

Even Barack Obamas said that you cannot raise taxes in a recession, though he is doing that very thing

What Conservatism offers is capitalism. A chance for everyone to pull themselves up

Break that chain of welfare slavery, the dependency that the left calls freedom

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Sanity, you do have me chuckling today.

What would Romney do to help the plight of Black/unemployed/underemployed/disenfranchised people???

Outsource more jobs to China and 3rd world countries?

Help break up the unions, and increase the number of poor and disenfranchised?

Romney must be in worse shape than I thought, if you are attempting to make anyone believe he cares about what happens to Black/poor/disenfranchised or struggling people.

[sm=LMAO.gif]

Happy hour must have started early today for you!





mnottertail -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:09:51 PM)

So you are going to work to throw every fucking dogshit republican out of the house this season? Atta boy!!!!!!

Goddamn republican country bankrupters....




Musicmystery -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:12:11 PM)

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current spending levels by all reasonable accounts unsustainable

Even Barack Obamas said that you cannot raise taxes in a recession, though he is doing that very thing

What Conservatism offers is capitalism. A chance for everyone to pull themselves up

Break that chain of welfare slavery, the dependency that the left calls freedom


Yup. And what happens when Republicans find "Look what they 'Left-us!'?

They take what was sustainable and destroy it by cutting funding and increasing spending. Neither reasonable nor sustainable.

They widen the gulf between rich and poor, undermining the fundamental promise of capitalism in favor of funneling funds to the richest of the rich, believing against all evidence (even Reagan's people admitted later it was a failure) in trickle down that both times caused recessions instead of creating jobs.

They want to return to the Victorian, to the Gilded Age, to robber barons and tenement houses.

And they call this "freedom" with a straight face.

And their plan?

Well, actually...they have no plan. Just grab power and shoot from the hip, hoping all will magically work out.

It won't. It never has. It won't now either.





mnottertail -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:13:31 PM)

Note that the 'new' republicans running this season are talking about taxes (some of them may be numerate) and telling Grover Nordquist to kiss his own fucking ass.




mnottertail -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:17:26 PM)

What Conservatism offers is capitalism. A chance for everyone to pull themselves up





That is a laughably foetid lie.   Who is in charge of loading shit in teabaggers and neo-cons mouths these days?

They have been offering that (absolutely nothing) since the formation of that party, and look what it has wrought us.





DomKen -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:21:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Considering the debt spiral we are in and the dire eventuality that we are being steered toward, when we go teats up bankrupt even those most in need will have to go without government help

Just like Greece

Would you cut off your own nose to spite your face? Shouldn't we slash spending in order to preserve the union?

Definitely. We should zero out the Departmnt of Defense. Then after we reinstate the tax rates that prevailed in 1980 we can find a sustainable defense budget.

If you expect me to say, "yes, I should die a slow and horrible death simply to fulfill the libertarian fantasies of people too dumb to know why those fantasies won't work." you've got another thing coming.




ddstarr -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 3:36:14 PM)

The democrat party have built a huge power base by increasing the amount of people dependent on government handouts. It is clearly against their interests to strengthen the economy. For all those complaining about income inequality, there is no chance of this disparity getting any better as long as the number of people living off of other people keeps growing. If you really want to do something about this issue we need to get business moving again, stop demonizing those who are successful, lessen benefits so people must go to work, stop borrowing to support an unsustainable welfare state and get people back to the point where they take pride in being self sufficient.




DomKen -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 4:01:25 PM)

Brilliant analysis, except for those pesky facts.

Income inequality goes down when Democrats are President and up when Republicans are.




Sanity -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 4:01:43 PM)


They, they, they.

Who is in charge - Obama. Whats the economy doing? Taking a shit.

Who upped spending under Reagan? Congressional Dems did. Who demanded Bush I raise taxes, Dems. Then who cried foul when he gave in to their demands to raise taxes, the Dems.

I will admit that the Rs have been far too liberal with the taxpayers money, with the understanding that leftists are far FAR more liberal with it

Where are Obamas promised deficit reductions

Oh yeah, he has tripled the deficit, with a plurality of Dems behind him for over half his term

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Conservatives are trying to keep the fat greedy government pig out of the poor struggling privates sectors seed that's needed for next years harvest

Trying to keep the radical left from sacrificing the cash cow as it were


Then they're doing a piss-poor job of it, as they're increasing spending and cutting funding. That's seed corn we haven't even grown yet--gone.

We had a sustainable system, turning surpluses. Conservatives cut its funding and increased its spending, borrowing to cover the cost and inflating the money supply to smooth over one recession only to find a second recession with near-zero interest rates, no viable fiscal policy, and a huge structural deficit in place.

Not to mention adding a huge new bureaucracy.

Everything you say they're against. It's not true. They only believe it's true.








Sanity -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 4:05:55 PM)



If we dont get spending and the size of government under control your Marxist fantasies of income equality for the lazy will be farthest from your mind as you sort through a trash heap for your next meal

It takes a strong economy to feed a welfare state and your old buddy Obama is destroying the economy, and he is doing so with your help

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Brilliant analysis, except for those pesky facts.

Income inequality goes down when Democrats are President and up when Republicans are.





tazzygirl -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 4:26:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

tazzy, did I SAY I blame this on President Obama???
Did you read the words that I typed?

The ONLY point I agree with Sanity on, IS Black Unemployment rate has jumped.
Sanity is attempting to blame President Obama, of course that is BULLSHIT.

Black unemployment actually has jack shit, to do with President Obama, it has to do with this economy.

I said that Blacks are being hit hardest, period.
We are THE race being affected the most, struggling the most, and falling behind the most.

I also said that I rarely see THIS topic being mentioned around here.
I understand why it is not an issue for MOST on these boards, but it is an issue of concern for ME.

College Degrees and Black Unemployment

Joblessness and Race 2012

NY Times Article- Blacks Miss Out as Jobs Rebound in the City

Black Unemployment Grows, EVEN as economy adds jobs!




No YOU didnt... Sanity did.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 4:31:02 PM)

I'm sorry...I don't understand your point?

Blacks are at 14.4% unemployment, Hispanics at 11%....sorry...am I missing something?

Your argument is that it's unfair? Is that it?




Sanity -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 5:11:43 PM)


Wouldnt that be the only headline that mattered if McCain were president?

Remember Katrina?

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I'm sorry...I don't understand your point?

Blacks are at 14.4% unemployment, Hispanics at 11%....sorry...am I missing something?

Your argument is that it's unfair? Is that it?






tazzygirl -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 5:14:46 PM)

What about Katrina? Im curious to know how you are going to tie that with the unemployment in the US.




Owner59 -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 5:24:05 PM)

Or lying us into a war in Iraq.......and blowing a trillion dollars there.......




joether -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 6:20:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Or lying us into a war in Iraq.......and blowing a trillion dollars there.......


According to the CBO, that number is alittle over $4 Trillion. $3.25 Trillion of it was the cost of war and the other $750 Million is treating for wounded veterans (assuming health care costs never increase for the next thirty to fourty years). I'm sure in ten to twenty years that $750 mllion will climb to a few trillion. Oh, and how did we pay for that war? Borrowed money, kids!




joether -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 6:37:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
If we dont get spending and the size of government under control your Marxist fantasies of income equality for the lazy will be farthest from your mind as you sort through a trash heap for your next meal

It takes a strong economy to feed a welfare state and your old buddy Obama is destroying the economy, and he is doing so with your help

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Brilliant analysis, except for those pesky facts.

Income inequality goes down when Democrats are President and up when Republicans are.



If you actually took the time and studied the history financially and politically, you would have known that it was the Republicans doing some serious damage not the Democrats. Back in 2009, the economy was tanking faster than the Titanic could sink! If President Obama had listen to the what the GOP, conservative talk radio and cable nuts were saying, and conservatives babbling in general; the nation would have been in a full-blown depression. More likely greater than the first this country experienced in 1929. Besides the doing anything and everything to undermind the creation and signing into law, the ARRA, the GOP tried a number of steps to keep the economy from recovering. They tried every trip in the book to slow, stop, hinder and keep solid bills from being signed into law. When they finally took over the US House in 2011, they were even more in a position to hinder any and all efforts by Democrats to keep the ARRA from contuining for another year. Yet, the data and facts acknowledge that hte ARRA was having a real effect on all the industries in the USA. Some of them not only reboudning towards the end of 2010, but making inroads to recoverry.

Its pretty typical that conservatives never wish to cite facts and evidence, even though both are easily found with a simple google search of all these things.

In addition, wasnt it the Republicans that couldnt agree on a budget back last August? Isn't it the job of the US House of Representatives's (under the US Constitution) job to create the budget? And that that budget has to get approval from the Democratic controlled Senate and White House before being put into law? And wasn't it the Democrats that went to the compromising table many times, and willing to make cuts in to those areas they REALLY didnt want to make cuts in, JUST TO GET THE BUDGET DONE? And where were the Republicans this whole time? Doing nothing useful to aid the problem towards an acceptable solution. In fact, Congress failed to get a budget together. So they decided on a super committee that would decide the budget and cuts worth $1.2 trillion from the budget. And if they couldnt reach an agreement, $600 Billion would be taken out of both social security and Defense spending. Democrats were willing to compromise and Republicans were not. And what did we see? Republicans going back on their written word of honor a second time (the first was during the final stage of the ACA)! And did any of those conservatives, whom bash Democrats and President Obama every nanosecond, bitch at the people they voted into office over all of this? Not a licking! Why should conservatives being responsible and accountible with power, money and the country's checkbook?

Why should any of us think you know what it takes or means to have a strong economy, when your unable to hold the people you vote in favor of to the same level, if not TWICE, the level you slam the Democras and President Obama? You have never been able to fully explain the macro economics of the ARRA, let alone display a sound knowledge of what is and isnt in the ACA. Given all of this evidence, why should anyone take what you state with any seriousness or credibility?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 6:43:41 PM)

Blacks, as a group (certainly not all blacks....drop the hatred peeps) don't tend to finish high school. The men leave their pregnant gf's (or wives) in droves to fend for themselves and the kids grow up learning this lifestyle, and it perpetuates. Black women households (no male adult/husband) "with children" are some of the highest on the planet. These kids learn that it's perfectly fine to live on the dole or sell drugs.

The unemployment rate for blacks is used as (a) reason why the white man/society as a whole is keeping them down, all the while that black on black crime (but not even remotely white on white crime...or even white on black, white on Asian, or even white on Hispanic) is stratospheric. Blacks finish high school at unprecedentedly low rates....even as there are thousands of programs, state and federal to keep them in school. Millions if not more are spent on exactly this.

There are none for whites....plenty for Asians, international students, others.

There are no "white only" colleges, even as colleges in general have programs to pursue blacks with lower scores. There are "blacks only" colleges that will never allow whites....prejudice in its ultimate form, and if pursued (whites only), it'd be lambasted in every press on Earth.

The argument that colleges are already "whites only" is simply a way for those, black or other, to excuse themselves from effort and drive.

Asians outpace every white group there is in every field on a % basis, yet no one hears white people complaining about the "Asian rise" because whites (and other groups) recognize that Asians are doing better because they put in the effort.

It wouldn't make news because....it ain't PC.

It's that simple.

White people, as a whole, don't focus on the whole "someone else is fucking me over" crap. They either don't finish high school and accept their lot, or they do finish school and do better than had they not.

When was the last time you heard a white person say "the black man is responsible for all my ills/failures"?

I bet it wasn't recently.

I bet it wasn't in the last 40 years.

Everyone, black, white, asian, latino....everyone....needs to quit bitching about why someone else is fucking them over and get down to the task at hand.

Succeeding.

Which requires tremendous effort.

No matter who you are.

(Success, in abundance....follows).




Lucylastic -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 7:27:38 PM)

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When was the last time you heard a white person say "the black man is responsible for all my ills/failures"?

have heard nothing but for the past four years from many MANY people!!!!! [:D][:'(]




tazzygirl -> RE: Unemployment rate for blacks jumps to 14.4% (7/6/2012 7:42:12 PM)

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There are "blacks only" colleges that will never allow whites.....


Can you name one?






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