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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:13:23 PM   
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Assuming I accept that a .223 semi auto is high power military hardware,




It isn't the size of the projectile, it's the punch behind it.










I get that but the point of that line was that the .223 is not high power. Even though it's a high velocity round the 55 - 65 grain bullet is not a hard impact or substantial penetrater such as a 30.06 or a 308 which are in the high power class.


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:20:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marini there were sooooo many failures…as usual…and all were outside of legal carry laws…I believe. First were not some of the weapons he was using illegal? So gun control failed…Was there no red flag or regulations in buying body armor? Are there not laws against buying tear gas bombs…should that not at least be regulated if it is not ? Are there no laws and regulations for buying explosives?

I would guess that many laws and regulations were broken in his planning, purchasing, and possession of the materials he killed with.

So…I don’t think gun control would have stopped this massacre or would for anyone determined to kill.

To me gun control should be about accidental killings and suicides not drive by shootings or the actions of mad men. Those determined to kill will find weapons no matter what laws are on the books.

Butch

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:21:57 PM   
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Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) offers an interesting perspective on his website. Turns out it was all about school prayer:

You know, when people say, where was God in all of this? Well, you know, we don’t let… in fact we’ve threatened high school graduation participants that if they use God’s name that they’re going to be jailed, we had a principal of a school, and a superintendent or a coach down in Florida that were threatened with jail because they said the blessing at a voluntary off campus dinner. I mean, that kind of stuff… where is God? Where, where? What have we done with God? We told him that we don’t want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:24:10 PM   
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I want to know why his mother was so quick to tell the media that they had the right person, Erie. Sorry if you need to wring your hands over those who might be stigmatized, but for the families of people who do need serious help they refuse to get, there is a conversation to be had.


I don't blame his mother at all, for participating fully.
She probably had an idea what an odd bird he was.
Rich, she doesn't want to be associated with him!
She probably will testify against him if asked.

Dude had throat armor, body armor, freaking grenades, AKA assault weapons?
He sounds like he had better body armor than the troops in Iraq.

Times like this, I enjoy my Nancy Grace.
She is all over this.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:32:43 PM   
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Marini there were sooooo many failures…as usual…and all were outside of legal carry laws…I believe. First were not some of the weapons he was using illegal? So gun control failed…Was there no red flag or regulations in buying body armor? Are there not laws against buying tear gas bombs…should that not at least be regulated if it is not ? Are there no laws and regulations for buying explosives?

I would guess that many laws and regulations were broken in his planning, purchasing, and possession of the materials he killed with.

So…I don’t think gun control would have stopped this massacre or would for anyone determined to kill.

To me gun control should be about accidental killings and suicides not drive by shootings or the actions of mad men. Those determined to kill will find weapons no matter what laws are on the books.

Butch


I agree Butch, I totally agree.
This dude had an arsenal, and all that body armor, to be honest.

Nancy Grace just asked, how did he get into the movie theater with all this body armor and all these weapons?
He came up the FRONT of the cinema.
I think they thought he was wearing another costume.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 5:42:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like Nancy Grace is asking questions that have already been answered, as she looks to milk tragedy for her ratings.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 6:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand he is alive and in custody, was he hurt at all?

He wrecked havoc on those people, and was apprehended without a scratch on him I guess.



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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 6:58:42 PM   
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Sounds like Nancy Grace is asking questions that have already been answered, as she looks to milk tragedy for her ratings.



Doesn't she ALWAYS....my stomach turns at the sound of that woman's voice!


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just heard about the shooting. Why would anyone do something like this? Does anyone know why he did it? We are sick with fear as it is, then we get this mother fucker. These people went to the movies to have a good time. You have people on dates and parents with their kids.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:03:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Sounds like Nancy Grace is asking questions that have already been answered, as she looks to milk tragedy for her ratings.

Doesn't she ALWAYS....my stomach turns at the sound of that woman's voice!



You and Rich probably secretly watch Nancy Grace.
I know the type.
Talk a lot of trash about Nancy, and watch her when you are alone.
Rich, is drinking whiskey on the rocks and watching Nancy while he sits here and posts, half the time.


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:06:10 PM   
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Talk a lot of trash about Nancy, and watch her when you are alone.
Rich, is drinking whiskey on the rocks and watching Nancy while he sits here and posts, half the time.




Only if she does porn

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:12:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing is the guns do not shoot people. The whole range of problems associated with war and violence propaganda can not be ignored. Mass media, television, big part of video game industry is basically involved with war and violence propaganda. What is the anatomy of this thing should be investigated.  How is CIA, NSA etc.., military involved in this? It is not just an innocent game. It is far more serious.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:13:47 PM   
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24! Who does this well planned sort of thing at 24?

He must be one of the youngest mass murderers in history.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who is to blame for the shooting?

We, as a nation, are.

Mental health care here is deplorable.

Those who need us the most have the least from most of us.

But I am sick of the finger pointing to one party... or one person.

No one can know what sets off another person.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:17:02 PM   
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1553310/Serial-killer-8-charged-with-three-murders.html

stay tuned

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:21:01 PM   
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Serial killer was faster, Mari.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1553310/Serial-killer-8-charged-with-three-murders.html

stay tuned


Rich, can you site anyone his age that shot 71 people at one time?

Not 3 or 4 people, he shot 71.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:23:31 PM   
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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:24:28 PM   
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President Obama stated in his speech 4 hours ago, that this was "such evil is senseless".


Evil is always senseless.

Not to drift off topic too greatly. If someone was armed in the theater, it is unlikely he would have gotten as far as he did. He was prepared for armed revolt given his elaborate outfit. Too bad he didn't get it.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:26:13 PM   
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Can we call this an instance where the lack of medical care killed someone?


To be honest Tazzy, I think he had access to medical care.
Hell, he was young enough to still be on his parent's insurance.

Is it a lack of medical care or a refusal to SEEK psychiatric care?
If he had gone to an ER and told them what he planned to do, he
would probably have received medical care.

How many people in his frame of mind, SEEK psychiatric care?

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/20/2012 7:30:45 PM   
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Can we call this an instance where the lack of medical care killed someone?


Maybe, maybe not. There is such a thing as evil and it can't just be his mental illness if he is mentally ill. Something is happening. Is it society that has gone mad and is creating these monsters? Lack of access to medical care may have been a contributing factor, but the cause? I doubt it is the cause. Medical care is the band-aid that potentially saves your health/life.

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