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RE: Cat trap - 8/14/2012 6:47:00 PM

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But as I've already stated, it's not the first choice step.

This is what I meant by us all (most, anyway) being in agreement.

If I have to kill an aggressive cat in the neighbourhood to save our own little queen, I will. If I can save her without killing anyone, human or non-human, then I will have a marked preference for the nonlethal option, whereas SirNose voiced a callous disregard of the "why wouldn't it be the first choice?" variety.

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But I wonder just how hard it would be for an owner to track down the likely few people who could've conducted unwelcome surgery on their pet. I know I'd be determined to find out. Good luck explaining that....

As a cat owner, I would have an autopsy done, and someone killing the cat would be tracked down and have very poor luck in explaining it. They better be able to at the very least show me that a warning shot was fired and that there is some injured creature that they were trying to save. Neutering (which I do anyway, so it's a hypothetical comparison) would at most leave me upset, and my main problem would be that they didn't take the time to try to figure out where the cat belonged to talk to me about it. In this case, however, the owner isn't cooperative, the problem isn't going away, and the choice is between killing and neutering. Unless Constanze has reason to suspect the latter will make for an unacceptable risk of retaliation, that choice seems pretty clear. The owner is going to be unhappy no matter what she does, of course, which is the nature of conflicts of any sort.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/14/2012 6:48:41 PM

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 6:17:00 AM

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LOL, as the owner of male cats (both neutered - all my pets are neutered, it's what responsible owners do), cat testicles don't tend to be very large and Hitler tends to be aggressive even to his owner, so chances of the owner getting a good look at the family jewels are not too high, plus they don't cut the whole ball sack off, they just anaesthetize the tom and take the testicles out, over time the ball sack shrinks. Now chances of the crazy neighbour lifting Hitler's tail and having a good look are minimal, as she feeds him outside and can't even touch him.

Technically a cat is "owned" if the cat has a collar or a chip, if not then it can be assumed it is a stray. So even if she finds out that her precious is missing his balls, she can ring all the vets and ask around who castrated him... Hmm, well, good luck, a tabby with a bit of white... I'd assume each and every vet in town (5 or 6 large veterinary practises directly in the middle of town, several more of them in the surrounding areas), cats being the most common pet - well, I would assume that every vet has at least a few dozens of cats to castrate every week.

Having spoken to my vet and the cat society, they are in favour of castrating cats and even gave me a voucher to have a stray castrated, I won't have an appointment in my name, I plan to pay cash (with the voucher to get a stray castrated it's a whole £5 once the deed is done the cat trap goes to the Cats Protection League as a donation), and the vet agreed that it would be best if I am just bringing a stray in on behalf of the Cats Protection League. Legally I am in the clear anyway unless he is chipped, but in that case the vet suggested that he was found straying in another part of town and it happens on occasion that the cheap reader malfunctions...
Additionally, even if she would find out it's me, I'd be more worried what she'd do outside the law than within the law. Castrating is not cruelty to animals, she could claim that his breeding value is now NILL, but good luck showing how much stud fees she'd get for a moggy, and she would have to show that the cat was clearly her property, i.e. chipped and/of collared.

Once caught, he'll be back from the vet a few hours later, slightly groggy (I plan to smuggle him into an old shed so he can sleep it off), it will take a while for him to wear the testosterone off that is still in his system. So after a while he'll just be less aggressive and nobody is the wiser.

Even if I would agree with killing him (which I don't), chances of being caught would be much higher and also nothing would be won, idiot neighbour would get another male cat that wouldn't be neutered due to her fucked up beliefs and the whole scenario would start again... By neutering him, I'm increasing his life span, because he's less likely to roam and get hit by a car, less likely to die from an infection he got from a cat fight, etc. It's the most humane and practical solution, also the least dangerous one.

The trap arrived today but just my luck that it is pouring down with rain and chances that he's out terrorizing everybody are small.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 6:37:19 AM

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Don't they make blow-up female cats for un-neutered toms to shag so that they can get rid of their excess energy and aggression? Or, thinking of those claws, something similar only made out of wood?

(At this point in the thread I feel that it is time for stupid suggestions.)

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 6:47:53 AM

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That's actually a rather brilliant suggestion, Peon.

I wonder how much work it would be to make an inflatable queen?

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 6:51:55 AM

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I think a remote control German Shepherd to chase him up a tree would be more fun.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:23:52 AM

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GOT THE FUCKER!!!!!!!!!

Despite shitty weather couldn't resist the smell of tuna in the cage, thought I would catch one of my own cats in it first but nope.....

He isn't actually all that loud, got cage in the garage with a blanket over it (he tried to bite me when I picked it up and moved it in, but I wore thick oven gloves), now need car on the front entrance, called vet, they said to bring him in ASAP... That was so quick... Should have gotten the cage months ago

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:31:45 AM

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Well done LadyC. Hopefully stage two of Snip, Snip will go as smoothly!

Hilly - that is hilarious!!!

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:32:41 AM

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:32:56 AM

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Brilliant! Good luck with that thing you've got going on there.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:52:37 AM

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Congrats LC.

I'm glad it worked out for you.
A good thing I didn't recommend my advice. I show little grace to shitty neighbors.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 7:54:02 AM

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I hope it works the way you are hoping. We had a male cat that was snipped at six months, and he was an aggressive little thing till the day he died (because he attacked my toddler). The last male kitten we had was adopted at age seven weeks, and he had already been snipped.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 8:14:44 AM

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Trust me, I wouldn't have any problems taking the crazy bint on, but having pets I don't want to endanger them. I have no clue how bat shit crazy she is, I mean I know she has this stupid idea of "neutering animals is wrong".

Dropped the cat off at the vet's, nurse tried to pick up the cage without gloves and was bitten and scratched, they said they're going to keep him overnight and check him for transmittable diseases before they neuter him, because he could go round and infect the whole cat population and he seems to be crawling with fleas and ticks... They're going to check with the RSPCA what can be done or if they want to do something about her (i.e. legal steps), I said I'm a bit worried and could they keep me out, they're trying, but chances are they can't do anything. I mean if that would be my cat, yes, I would have had him castrated and vaccinated straight away, but how can you deflea a cat who doesn't let anybody touch him? And the cats need to be frontlined about every 6 weeks

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 9:06:46 AM

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Cat keeping is SO different here!! We just don't let our cats run freely, it's asking for feline leukemia, parasites, and death by car/dog/coyote.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 9:27:51 AM

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yeah, Hibbie.. my kids are strictly indoor (except when Cashie slipped out twice. He still hangs by the door, but I think SOMETHING -probably Tomtom or Squeakers - happened that his interest in wide beyond has discouraged him from that bit of wanderlust LOL).

LC Good luck with him... and whatever the outcome at the vet, I know you made the best decision possible!

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 9:46:44 AM

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No coyotes here, I keep mine in when it's bird hatching season, tried all sorts of collars, they get rid of them so they are under house arrest for that month when the birds start flying.

Don't you guys vaccinate your cats against the most common cat diseases? As for parasites, yeah, fleas and ticks, but Frontline takes care of that, I had an inside cat when I was living in an apartment, but the current crop of tyrants was adopted from a place where they could come and go as they pleased, so we just gave them a cat flap, they don't roam very far, more like visiting friends. When we had the electronic cat flap, we actually had to push 2 of the neighbour's cats through the flap as well, so it would let them in and out, because they are special friends of our cats and they come for visits just like ours visit them. It's actually really funny, the dogs make a bit of noise if the cats walk past them and let us know it's not one of "ours", the cats just give them that arrogant look, sort of "Would you mind turning the noise down?", the worst thing the dogs do to cats is licking them or sniffing their butts. My Dobies seriously have zero street cred as dangerous among cats, we sometimes have to detach cats from Alf's tail.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 9:53:32 AM

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Is there a vaccine against feluke? Cat doors!! In my neighbourhood, all manner of critters could come in through a cat door!! And I am in the suburbs!

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 10:04:02 AM

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Yep, just go for the FeLV vaccination, both cats got tested when we adopted them and then vaccinated.

As for critters coming through the cat door, electric cat flap, will only open if the cat has a chip and the chip is programmed in, hence us pushing the 2 friends of our lot through the flap for programming, else they couldn't have visited, all other critters can't come in, door doesn't open... Also takes care of those annoying Yorkies who tried to sneak in through the catflap and humped Kia's legs though since Hitler (I am sure he is Greebo reincarnation, evil demon) is on the prowl, the Yorkies haven't tried to trespass...

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 10:10:50 AM

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my kids have all their shots. I just prefer to not have to deal with fight injuries, and stuff. By living indoors, my kids have a damned good shot at living, in good/reasonable health, unscarred, into their 20s.

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RE: Cat trap - 8/15/2012 10:21:34 AM

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I had an indoor cat before, but when I adopted my 2 boys, they were used to being outdoor cats, we had a brief trial where we tried to keep them indoors, several pieces of furniture and curtains later, we decided not a lot of chance to change them, but when we were looking for a house, we already knew that we would have a cat (we thought of bringing H's ancient cat with us but then with 19 it would have been cruel to move her and his neighbours were her 2nd home and wanted to keep her, so we decided to leave her in her environment where she happily lived for 3 more years) and made sure that it was cat friendly (i.e. not near a main road and in an area where the cats could roam a little bit), worked out well with the dogs too as we have several parks nearby...

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