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ORIGINAL: MariaB

So, when does an embryo or fetus become human life?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSg0QvBnER8

Rod Hull and Emu.

Warning, do NOT consume beverages during this video.

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I actually remember one piece of advice from when i was young, and as archaic and saccharine as it might sound, it has stayed with me and been a standing rule in my life drunk or sober. I was told that I should never bed someone with whom I would not consider spending the rest of my life.

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I do know that I have lost many family members to long illness and in almost every case, we have been approached by vultures asking us to give permission for organ harvesting before death. While that's not a crime, the thought repulses me. So, do I think it goes on with transients or even with people whose families have no knowledge? I'm almost sure it does and I want no part of someone else's blood on my hands.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir



There is a hospital in TX that put a DNR on a 12 yr old child against the wishes of the family and were pushing to harvest his organs just in the past month. I highly doubt this is the only hospital that this is happening in.

I'm going to assume it's this one.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/22/texas-hospital-dehydrating-12-year-old-boy-to-harvest-his-organs/

The article explains that what the hospital (withholding food and water) did was illegal and has been reversed.
The author of the article appears to not very knowledgable about medicine or even basic biology as someone who dies from dehydration does so because of systemic organ failure. The organs would then be useless for transplantation. Ergo, they cannot be killing him via dehydration in order to harvest organs.

The irony of it all is that the hospital is probably behaving in this manner (badly) because there is no insurance and they don't want a multi-million dollar charity case to fuck with their quarterly profits.
Had universal insurance coverage been passed earlier, the problem wouldn't exist.

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You cannot expect everyone to live by your standards... which is what Sharia law does. I have always said a woman should be able to walk through a group of men naked and come out the other side untouched. That is my belief. You want to blame the woman for being too drunk to say no... yet cant seem to hold men to the same standard when they are drunk as well.

Coercion is simply trying any and every angle to get someone to change their mind.. and there are many avenues to do that.

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Actually i do hold men to the same expectation of responsibility. I have no expectation that anyone will live by my standards, including those who might find themselves under my care. Not really blaming women, who unfortunately, and by nature end up with more responsibilty. Your expectation seems unreasonable and defies nature. I know of several women who would consider a naked walk through a group of men to occur untouched and without comment to be highly insulting.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir



There is a hospital in TX that put a DNR on a 12 yr old child against the wishes of the family and were pushing to harvest his organs just in the past month. I highly doubt this is the only hospital that this is happening in.

I'm going to assume it's this one.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/22/texas-hospital-dehydrating-12-year-old-boy-to-harvest-his-organs/

The article explains that what the hospital (withholding food and water) did was illegal and has been reversed.
The author of the article appears to not very knowledgable about medicine or even basic biology as someone who dies from dehydration does so because of systemic organ failure. The organs would then be useless for transplantation. Ergo, they cannot be killing him via dehydration in order to harvest organs.

The irony of it all is that the hospital is probably behaving in this manner (badly) because there is no insurance and they don't want a multi-million dollar charity case to fuck with their quarterly profits.
Had universal insurance coverage been passed earlier, the problem wouldn't exist.

And yet here... on a site that has no association to religion.... states he was moved to hospice care...

Child Shooting Victim Moved to Hospice, Hospice Director Holds on to Hope

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Guy and girl fuck. Girl gets pregnant. Girl decides to get abortion. Someone else pays for it.

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You are talking kink.. I am not. You have to remember, not everyone, including society itself, fits into your kinky world or its definitions.

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And by saying you hold men to the same expectation of responsibility, yet later say women have more... you are admitting there are different levels and different standards.

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You are a submissive male... if a Dominant woman walked by you, yet didnt give you expressed permission to touch, would you? I would think not. Yet you dont hold all men to that same standard. Because you know better.

Whats the difference? Permission... consent... you know, that little thing the lifestyle seems to carry on so much about.

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I don't actually fit into those kinky world or definition on a day to day basis. Earlier in my life, pre marriage, pre active kink, and so on, I went to a gentleman's club. The lovely girl who was dancing approached me, took me by the sides of my face and chastised me for not staring at her.

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In my youth (earlier than this) I had a young woman who was quite well endowed, take the time to explain to me how to approach a lady with large breasts. She explained to talk to the lady's eyes. when she looked away there would be time to check out the rest of her. She told me that was the way she checked out men without embarassing them. I can offer you my respect should you find yourself naked in my presence, and will actually defend your virtue if that is needed. However I have encountered more women lifestyle and mainstream who would consider that quite presumptuous of me.

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Your scenario would require permission from the Dominant woman and my Dominant. It would require my Dominant's permission to defend Her from an offending male. There are pre agreed and pre arranged permissions. She also is quite adept at and gets pleasure out of defending Herself. No real self image problems there.

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I don't actually fit into those kinky world or definition on a day to day basis. Earlier in my life, pre marriage, pre active kink, and so on, I went to a gentleman's club. The lovely girl who was dancing approached me, took me by the sides of my face and chastised me for not staring at her.

Oh for fuck sake... that is not who I meant and you damn well know it.

Your information site calls "You are so hot" as wel as other potential compliments as well as threats coercion. I have been accused of undressing a woman with my eyes (some times wiht a smile, sometimes with a glare. I am still trying to sort through your definitions.

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In my youth (earlier than this) I had a young woman who was quite well endowed, take the time to explain to me how to approach a lady with large breasts. She explained to talk to the lady's eyes. when she looked away there would be time to check out the rest of her. She told me that was the way she checked out men without embarassing them. I can offer you my respect should you find yourself naked in my presence, and will actually defend your virtue if that is needed. However I have encountered more women lifestyle and mainstream who would consider that quite presumptuous of me.


Shakes my head.... and looking is touching how?

When telling someone they are gorgeous is Coercion, the look in my eye, or on my face when i see a woman in the nude often says more than my voice will. Anywhere from WOW, to "can i get you a towel?"

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Your scenario would require permission from the Dominant woman and my Dominant. It would require my Dominant's permission to defend Her from an offending male. There are pre agreed and pre arranged permissions. She also is quite adept at and gets pleasure out of defending Herself. No real self image problems there.
And yet a vanilla woman faced with any male who is determined to have her has what defense other than the word 'no'? You are the perfect example of a man who can resist if he so desires. So why cant others?

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Guy and girl fuck. Girl gets pregnant. Girl decides to get abortion. Someone else pays for it.

You're not referring to that government-funded-abortions myth are you? The Hyde Amendment exceptions do not apply in your scenario.