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tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 7:48:25 PM)

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Yep. The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply because of accounting trickery. "Fungible" assets and all.


When can you prove that?

We are all waiting.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 7:49:43 PM)

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While I can not control other men, nor explain them, A self reliant vanilla woman, in no particular order, and at the risk of repeating myself, and dropping lethal solutions, can avail herself of restraining orders, taser, pepper spray. self control, mastering the audible fart, pick your nose, scratch your butt, learn to vomit on command, and aim at his shoes, wet yourself or him or both, (although some kinksters might get a kick out of any of this). learn to master martial arts, learn to scream loudly or get one of those canned air boat horns, personal siren with flashing light, staying aware of the local police hang out, dunkin Donuts, or the local 24 hour convenience store, A safety/ICE/safecall mumber on your cell phone, learn to be the designated driver. That protects from your concern about alcohol, as well as putting you in the position if "he" crosses the line, he ends up walking home. I am sure that there are other solutions, but these are a few that I could come up with off the top of my head.


And yet you leave out the simplest one.



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 8:19:05 PM)

Clothing seems like a simple solution. What is your simplest solution if I might ask? You made it sound as if this was an all pervasive, unsolvable issue. I find it quite a blessing that men and women find each other appealing at times. It seems quite strange that so many people want to make that be a problem or an issue.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 8:24:27 PM)

Appealing is one thing.

What you would call being badgered for sex when all you want to do is sleep?

Or being told.. sure.. you can do that... just as soon as you blow me.

Or the ole... put out or get out.

Or.. yeah.. we can go grocery shopping for you and the kids.. as soon as we get finished in the bedroom.

Or the woman who caves when she realizes its a fuck or a beating.

You seem to think its always someone has to be forced to be coerced.



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 9:13:02 PM)

Simple solution here is to get rid of the asshole.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Appealing is one thing.

What you would call being badgered for sex when all you want to do is sleep?

Or being told.. sure.. you can do that... just as soon as you blow me.

Or the ole... put out or get out.

Or.. yeah.. we can go grocery shopping for you and the kids.. as soon as we get finished in the bedroom.

Or the woman who caves when she realizes its a fuck or a beating.

You seem to think its always someone has to be forced to be coerced.



1. Snore, Fart (with lumps if necessary) puke, yeast infection, STD (real or imagined).
2. Go ahead and do so, but grab his balls and stick a finger (or a candle) up his ass. You will own him quicker than you think. or simply smile and know that you can do that. Tell him that you will do that if he can get it big and hard, and don't accept that he is big enough.
3. Leave, he will come looking for you. If you don't want him to find you there are a variety of solutions.
4. Leave and take the kids with you. (are they his?) ask him before you get near the bedroom, perhaps before he eats. Tell him you can not feed him before going grocery shopping.
5. Leave, restraining order. Realize that this is not what she signed up for. Sounds simplistic. I realize how complicated it is, but realize that this alternative is rape whether prosecutable or not. Gun, knife, taser, pepperspray, a variety of despicable and less than legal solutions.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 9:20:04 PM)

You really are that simplistic, arent you.



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 10:10:57 PM)

Yep, I am that simplistic. I could empathize with all the emotions involved in changing one's life, but that leaves one wallowing in self pity which interferes with solving the problem. Being a victim is easy. Getting yourself out of harm's way takes some thought, effort and determination. I guess a same sex relationship while simple is out of the question.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 10:13:59 PM)

hahahaha and you believe this doesnt happen in a same sex relationship?

The only difference is the pregnancy issue.

Oh honey, what color are the rainbows in your fantasy land?



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 10:21:20 PM)

Actually this had kind of started out as a pregnancy question. I never really thought much about same sex relationsihips and the dynamics thereof, although as you say if would downplay the pregnancy/birth control issues.
Whatever color I would like them to be, of course. Why do you ask?



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 10:55:51 PM)

Because you are belittling people who you have admitted who are in situations you have no clue about. Frankly, I find your position rather sanctimonious.



farglebargle -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 11:08:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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Guy and girl fuck. Girl gets pregnant. Girl decides to get abortion. Someone else pays for it.

You're not referring to that government-funded-abortions myth are you? The Hyde Amendment exceptions do not apply in your scenario.


Yep. The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply because of accounting trickery. "Fungible" assets and all.


So, you propose eliminating funding to hospitals, too? Since they also provide a complete range of woman's healthcare services. If you're saying that the PP money is fungible, then the same money is fungible the same way for EVERY HOSPITAL.

Nice going. You just closed every hospital in the country.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 11:20:59 PM)

LOL.. not to mention every residency program in the country.

Way to go!



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 11:38:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Because you are belittling people who you have admitted who are in situations you have no clue about. Frankly, I find your position rather sanctimonious.

Perfect. I hope thay take that anger and channel it to take control of their situation.
What I had no clue about was your thought process which you have clarified and focused. For this I thank you.

I deeply understand wallowing in self pity, feeling that this is as good as it gets, I can do no better than this, and/or I am not of any greater value than this. This is all horse shit, but the only solution is in you. A life preserver only works if you hold on to it. To get out of shit, you have to move, it won't.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/24/2012 11:44:06 PM)

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Perfect. I hope thay take that anger and channel it to take control of their situation.
What I had no clue about was your thought process which you have clarified and focused. For this I thank you.

I deeply understand wallowing in self pity, feeling that this is as good as it gets, I can do no better than this, and/or I am not of any greater value than this. This is all horse shit, but the only solution is in you. A life preserver only works if you hold on to it. To get out of shit, you have to move, it won't.


Try looking up some psychology information on battered women syndrome... psychological abuse is very real....

And, until you have been in such a relationship, dont judge others.



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 12:22:51 AM)

Try battered spouse. Been there, and have helped others through it. Not being judgemental, simply suggesting alternatives, including ones that i had wished people had recommended to me.
If you accept victimhood, you will stay a victim. Step away and you become a survivor.
All right, a quick google of battered woman syndrome popped it up as an arguable legal defense for killing one's husband, and you chastised me earlier for encouraging a threat.
BTW, one of my fantasy rainbows changed shape, formed letters and asked how long you have been a victim. They might make crap up, but sometimes they get close to the right answer.
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Perfect. I hope thay take that anger and channel it to take control of their situation.
What I had no clue about was your thought process which you have clarified and focused. For this I thank you.

I deeply understand wallowing in self pity, feeling that this is as good as it gets, I can do no better than this, and/or I am not of any greater value than this. This is all horse shit, but the only solution is in you. A life preserver only works if you hold on to it. To get out of shit, you have to move, it won't.




Try looking up some psychology information on battered women syndrome... psychological abuse is very real....

And, until you have been in such a relationship, dont judge others.




tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 2:01:56 AM)

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All right, a quick google of battered woman syndrome popped it up as an arguable legal defense for killing one's husband, and you chastised me earlier for encouraging a threat.


LOL.. for one's husband... not one's daughters's boyfriend.

What's a restraining order? A piece of paper a man can walk through.

What you neglect to realize is that these women may love, or believe themselves to be in love with the man who is using coercion on them. So they give in, hoping things will change. Sometimes it does... sometimes it doesnt.

A better solution is that we, as a society, teach men than no means fucking no. We stop making jokes about it, we stop making stupid college movies about it

Have I been a victim? One more than one occasion. It isnt as easy as grabbing his balls and shoving a candle up his ass. You go ahead and believe that fucking fantasy world shit. Sounds good on paper.. or a message board... but damn if he wouldnt have tried to kill my ass after doing that lil suggestion of yours.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic_violence_abuse_help_treatment_prevention.htm

At least the professionals understand what you dont. And, recall not so long ago

CA Governor Eliminates State Funding to Domestic Violence Programs

ATLANTA --- Georgia is set to eliminate all state money for domestic violence programs, replacing it with federal funds that some advocates say will limit the services shelters for battered women can provide.
Officials with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services have raised questions about the proposal from Gov. Nathan Deal to use an estimated $4.4 million in federal welfare money -- Temporary Assistance for Needy Families or TANF -- to fund domestic violence shelters, according to memos and e-mails obtained by The Associated Press through an open records request.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2011-04-03/georgia-cut-program-funding

As VAWA Languishes in Congress, Domestic Violence Shelters in Texas Are Struggling to Meet Demand

So.. where are they supposed to go for help? hmmm?



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 8:38:56 AM)

your detailed article holds your hand and passes you tissues to say the same thing i have been saying for the past series of posts. You (your doaughter) holds the key to mananging this situation. It is way too late to control or change anyone's current tormentors. My fantasy world has a way different view of time travel than yours.
Oprah, Dr Phil, Dr Laura have explaned this crap in great detail.
Teaching knuckleheads as a society that "No means No" would require going back (or starting now) and eliminating te zero tolerance policies for addressing bullies on the playground and in their youth. It would also require teaching woment that men are like buses, another will come by.
Where to go for help???? Family, firends, church, Non profits. If you get yourself clear and into survivorhood offer a contribution. A couple of butks once in a while. Or pull up the ladder so your next generation can't get out.
Trust me, and tha psychs who published that article. You are not the solution, he will not change, don't run back into the burning building.

Excuses are like assholes, everybody's got one and they all stink.



kalikshama -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 8:50:30 AM)

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Yep. The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply because of accounting trickery. "Fungible" assets and all.


I know what fungible means but don't understand how it applies in your scenario.



tazzygirl -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 12:02:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

your detailed article holds your hand and passes you tissues to say the same thing i have been saying for the past series of posts. You (your doaughter) holds the key to mananging this situation. It is way too late to control or change anyone's current tormentors. My fantasy world has a way different view of time travel than yours.
Oprah, Dr Phil, Dr Laura have explaned this crap in great detail.
Teaching knuckleheads as a society that "No means No" would require going back (or starting now) and eliminating te zero tolerance policies for addressing bullies on the playground and in their youth. It would also require teaching woment that men are like buses, another will come by.
Where to go for help???? Family, firends, church, Non profits. If you get yourself clear and into survivorhood offer a contribution. A couple of butks once in a while. Or pull up the ladder so your next generation can't get out.
Trust me, and tha psychs who published that article. You are not the solution, he will not change, don't run back into the burning building.

Excuses are like assholes, everybody's got one and they all stink.



Ah, so you ARE blaming the victims.

No one told them to stay.. least of all me.

Compassion goes a long way to changing the cycle.

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Where to go for help???? Family, firends, church, Non profits.


ROFLMFAO

Tell ya what babe... you enjoy your fantasy land, mkay?

In that one statement you told me you have been lying along as you dont know jack shit about what I have been talking about.

I will leave it up to anyone else to try and explain it to your narrow minded self.



atursvcMaam -> RE: Your Right To Life Support.... (8/25/2012 12:29:49 PM)

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Ah, so you ARE blaming the victims.

No one told them to stay.. least of all me.

Compassion goes a long way to changing the cycle.


Nope, blaming the compassionate commiserating motherlovers that try to promote that an abusive asshole can be rehabilitated. Those compassionate shrinks that will let a victim believe if she does the right thing, and he does the right thing then the world will be peaches and cream. That more often then a happy ending a return to an abusive asshole results in trips to the ER or the Cemetery. There is where my fantasy world resides.

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Where to go for help???? Family, firends, church, Non profits.

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ROFLMFAO

Tell ya what babe... you enjoy your fantasy land, mkay?
well then move to NJ (very kid and battered spouse friendly) and set up your own service. Just make sure that none of your protected turn you in, or get access to a cell phone. It's a mess when a lonely victim gives an abusive knucklehead your address.


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In that one statement you told me you have been lying along as you dont know jack shit about what I have been talking about.

I will leave it up to anyone else to try and explain it to your narrow minded self.

Your situation may be different than those I have dealt with, but that there is still a question here, then you don't read or follow what you post.



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