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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Yes. OH HELL YES.

Are we ranting, or just seeking validation?

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

By "role reversal", do you mean women wearing strap-ons and men crossdressing?

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ORIGINAL: Baroana

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Actually, in addition to ranting, I am looking for other opinions. I like it when people say things that make me see an issue in a way I have not seen it before.

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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi

I don't think the role reversal theory is as simple as "if a penis like object goes inside you, you're someone's bitch." But I do think that if you make someone "your bitch" by sticking a penis in them.... Well, that makes them what you set out to make them. Even fellating a strap on is the bottom's way of indicating respect for the tool that will assert dominance over the bottom. But its not that having a penis is strength. See generally CBT, male chastity devices.

Many couples (usually those with a more open view on human sexuality) understand that anal pleasure through strap-ons can be done lovingly and enjoyed by either party. Its just that this kind of pornography is hard to market and sell.

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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Do you other dominant women get as annoyed as I do when men start discussing their turn-ons in terms of "role reversal" activities? For example, the activity that I have seen them most commonly place under this tag is strap-on sex.

To me, describing such activity as "role reversal" entails many distasteful assumptions. Perhaps that is why I take a negative view of strap-ons.

Am I alone here?

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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi


Edit to add: And its offensive to suggest that behavior makes a man into a woman. It makes a man into a sex toy, which is actually objectification.

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The same is true with strap-on play. Usually the bottom is bound or bent over.

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Throughout the mammalian class, most mating happens when the one with the rod tackles, mounts, and borderline rapes the one with the socket. Many times the female is the proud huntress, but is made to submit through cunning or force.

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There is also a challenge in titling certain activities. When I think "role reversal" I think 1950's household kink (which is not like a real 1950's household, more like the romanticized TV version) with genders reversed. Our culture still believes in "man's work" and "woman's work." Children still think a nurse or maid should be a woman and a plumber or firefighter should be a man. The reality is changing (and fast) but the human psyche holds onto that certainty. So tinkering with it is taboo. And taboos are fun.
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But this is a problem with our society as a whole. Just because the kinky community figured out a way to bastardize it and maken it sexually charged and interesting doesn't make the original version of that the correct attitude. Again...it's empowering to be female and men would simply fail at it.

<a little snipply snippy here>

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Many couples (usually those with a more open view on human sexuality) understand that anal pleasure through strap-ons can be done lovingly and enjoyed by either party. Its just that this kind of pornography is hard to market and sell.

Even adding to this...Mr can "submit" to me using a strap on on him and STILL remain dominant even during the act itself. He doesn't have to give up any of His maleness or His dominance to enjoy it, and I don't have to give up any of my femaleness or my submissiveness to get off on it.....though being a switch if I am in a situation with a submissive male it gets me just as charged but with a different mindset entirely.


Now, adding to my above response, I am a strong advocate of "YKIOK,IJNMK" But I will admit wholly do dissapproving of some other people's kinks...I just won't verbalize it to anyone because well...whatever gets your dynamic going is your business I can just choose not to participate. There are some folks that do some shit that just outright squicks me....but it's not my place to tell them it's fucked up because the kink being fucked up is MY opinion and MY problem, not thiers.

*uugh...kids fighting...I may finish this later

Lucifyre

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I do this because it fucking feels good.
I like girls who like girls
The thing about standards is: There are SO many to choose from.

(in reply to BambiBoi)

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ORIGINAL: Lucifyre

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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi


Edit to add: And its offensive to suggest that behavior makes a man into a woman. It makes a man into a sex toy, which is actually objectification.

BUT BUT BUT...

even dressing a man as a "sex toy" as you put it, is STILL dressing him in a feminine sort of manner which is still implying that being female, ANY kind of female (since women can take on any role at any time) is a "downgrade" from remaining male. I also find that rather insulting. The world population would be down to about 10% of itself if men had to endure what women do through the course of thier lifetimes. I'm not a femininist, but I'll be damned if being female isn't extremely empowering!

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ORIGINAL: Baroana
They're not my words. However, the primary inference I make from the use of such language is that "role reversal" means the woman exercises power over the man. Common expression of this, apparently, involves the woman putting something pointy into one or more holes in the man.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Baroana
They're not my words. However, the primary inference I make from the use of such language is that "role reversal" means the woman exercises power over the man. Common expression of this, apparently, involves the woman putting something pointy into one or more holes in the man.

Out of curiosity, did this thread happen to be sparked by one of the threads in General today?

Speaking as someone who happens to enjoy putting objects in holes (strap on and/or sounds) if the "role reversal" term got used in association with that, (or stuff like humiliation, emasculation, any reference to 'not a man' grouping, etc) that is not the person that I would be sticking any thing in their hole. I want the man who doesn't need to feel it must be his position to be "lowered" to that of female to be controlled by Me. That to Me says that he isn't as comfortable in being male and wanting these things. Many of these types that do this tend to have issues related to gender, where they feel power lies due to stereotypes, or acceptance of themselves in relation to such things.