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FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 10:26:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Isn't it about time we got some bang for all those bucks? We may have had the bangs already - but just do not know about it; which is characteristic of secret events. You mean like Romney going on a reverse fundraiser trip to Israel and telling Netanyahu something like "Deliver tjhe Jewish vote in Fla and you can name your price in foreign aid."? Certainly would explain the timing and method he is using to get attention. There is of course an unprecendented set of circumstances though. But it's about as probable as any I've seen presented here.

Aylee -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 10:46:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Your ambassador was raped........Really ? Yes. I realize that it is a "cultural thing" with them. quote: Some terrorists kiled your people so you want to nuke the whole Libyan nation.......how very civillised. They murdered our ambassador. Ambassadors, by tradition, are inviolate. It is an act of war. And no, I do not think that we need to nuke ALL of Libya. I do think that reprisals need to be enacted. Cluster bombs, burning naptha, starving them with seige warfare. Something. Taking a page from Nancy Regan and Ilya Somin, "Just say NO to terrorism." quote: Traditional rules of warfare make everyone in Benghazi culpable ? Yes. When the Libyan troops abandoned their posts protecting the embassy and then fingered the safe house, they sided with the enemy. This is a problem for Libya. quote: Youve lost the plot on this one. Rather the community of the sensetive than the community of the stupid. The barbarians in the middle east are not going to and will not differentiate between your community of the sensitive and what you are calling the community of the stupid, with their axes, machetes, and AK-47's. If you will recall, our murdered ambassador was one of the international community of the very very sensitive.

Aylee -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 10:48:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Isn't it about time we got some bang for all those bucks? We may have had the bangs already - but just do not know about it; which is characteristic of secret events. You mean like Romney going on a reverse fundraiser trip to Israel and telling Netanyahu something like "Deliver tjhe Jewish vote in Fla and you can name your price in foreign aid."? Certainly would explain the timing and method he is using to get attention. There is of course an unprecendented set of circumstances though. But it's about as probable as any I've seen presented here. Your anti-semitism slip is showing.

Aylee -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 10:50:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I've got to agree with Polite, Aylee. There are reports that Libyans in Benghazi tried to help the consulate staff. The doc who spent an hour and a half trying to revive the ambassador was a Libyan. The military invented weapons that could facilitate (in theory, at least) surgical strikes. I think it'd be a good idea if you were to make your verbal strikes more 'surgical', too. Helpful Libyans do not loot the bodies for cell phones in order to take pictures of said bodies.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 10:58:49 AM)
I watched the 14 minute snippet on YouTube...it doesn't even rise to the level of "ridiculous". It's so pathetically moronic and badly acted that I can't decide if it was intended as a comedy, parody or simply a waste of a lot of people's time. It was remarkably stupid at best and made little to no sense. There's 20,000 anti Muslim videos on YouTube and have been for years. They didn't start any anti American activities. This one didn't start any activities in the Middle East either...this was already planned months ago.

Rule -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 11:17:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee our murdered ambassador was one of the international community of the very very sensitive. That may have been a reason to sacrifice him... Edited to change the gender pronoun. The ambassador was alleged to be gay.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 12:04:39 PM)
FR I do not think there is anything to ever be gained from assuming that all people of a particular group are a particular way. Whether it is all blacks are X, all gays are B, all Islamic people are E or all men are M - these types of generalizations just never hold. For the most part, when I hear people say, well, all Islamic people are this way, I think to myself, ah, you believe this because you actually do not know anyone who is. Ignorance is still the source of most hatred in the world. The moment anyone, from whatever side, can view the other side as simply another human being, it is much more difficult to hate. Maintaining hatred requires dehumanizing the enemy. I would strongly encourage all peoples of whatever background, gender, sexual orientation, etc. to reject stereotypes and generalizations. Even taking into account the extremist element of Islam, assuming that all Muslims are this way will NEVER further the discussion or enable us to overcome their hatred. Treating all Muslim people as if they were extremist and terrorists is only going to enable the spreading of the extremist attitude. If we believe all of them to be extreme, and treat all of them badly as a result, then soon, all of them will be extremist. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. One that portends doom for the rest of us. There has to be room here for those of us in the middle to find another way....

kdsub -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 12:14:58 PM)
quote: A bare faced lie butch Why call me a liar when your post says it all... it is leadership they approve of not us... How about the below from your same link Since Moammar Gadhafi's downfall, the U.S. government has provided $170 million in transitional aid to Libya to help confront humanitarian and security challenges. Still, the amount of foreign assistance provided to Libya is low compared with the $2.9 billion the U.S. gave Pakistan in 2010 to support its fledgling civilian government, and the $2.8 billion and $1.7 billion Washington sent that year to Israel and Egypt, other traditional regional allies. Now tell me what has all this humanitarian aid gotten us?...dead ambassadors...time to leave them alone to their filthy religion. Lets get out now. Butch

Rule -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 12:15:34 PM)
Generalizations are useful in certain circumstances. For example, if we talk about a freight of eggs, we might assert that there either are a lot of bad eggs or few bad egss in the freight. It is an assertion that does not say anything about individual eggs, just about a characteristic of the freight as a whole.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 12:18:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Isn't it about time we got some bang for all those bucks? We may have had the bangs already - but just do not know about it; which is characteristic of secret events. You mean like Romney going on a reverse fundraiser trip to Israel and telling Netanyahu something like "Deliver tjhe Jewish vote in Fla and you can name your price in foreign aid."? Certainly would explain the timing and method he is using to get attention. There is of course an unprecendented set of circumstances though. But it's about as probable as any I've seen presented here. Your anti-semitism slip is showing. Really??? Boy aren't you spiteful. What religious upbringing do you think I have? Go ahead stick the foot further in. How DARE you call me anything?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 12:22:14 PM)
It's pretty amusing (to me) to see all the usual suspects that trash Christianity defending Islam so ardently. I guess selective tolerence really is the order of the day! If these extremists ever get a foothold on legitimacy, they will start campaigning against the very things that so many on these very boards hold so dear. You think fundie Christians want to wipe out abortion? You're gonna love Sharia law. You think the death penalty is inhumane? Wait until your teen-ager gets caught shoplifting! It simply astounds me. It makes me think that some of the people here really are Anti-America and that makes me sad. Peace and comfort, Michael

SpaceSpank -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 2:15:07 PM)
Decrying the insult and ridicule of another persons beliefs doesn't mean you condone hideous acts done in the name of that faith. If you're a devout member of any Christian or Catholic faith... does that mean you support the KKK? Does it mean you support those who kill people because "God demanded it"? The Muslim world is more than suicide bombers and flag burning rioters. They have different beliefs within their own religious systems, they have devout believers, lapsed believers, and those who only pay lip service to the Muslim faith. Just like every other major religious system out there. If you're going to decry ALL Muslims the world over for the actions of less than 1% of their population... then you should get the ammo ready to turn on all the Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, and every other religion (or even atheists) out there. People do bad shit, and many stand by and let it happen. Why? They think others will do it, they don't want to be targeted, maybe they aren't sure who is actually right, maybe they don't have a clue what's actually going on... hell, maybe they are so involved in their own world apart from everything they don't even know something is going on at all. If our "civilized" society can't be rational and forgiving then we're no better than those you seek to condemn. Our troops have a small number who have committed atrocities upon those in the Middle East, does that mean that the entire western world is to be seen in the same light as those scant few individuals? That's what you are arguing for, and if that is the case, it will never end. You want a better world? It isn't easy, it's NEVER easy, but a big part of it is learning how to deal with all these irrational fuck ups called human beings. Shooting each other really isn't an effective way to do that. Will more people die? Yes they will. You can't erase decades worth of ingrained propaganda overnight. Peace in the Middle East is something that will probably take generations to achieve, and even at that, only when everyone starts actually wanting to do so in earnest.

Musicmystery -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:29:05 PM)
quote: It's pretty amusing (to me) to see all the usual suspects that trash Christianity defending Islam so ardently. What a crock of shit.

Politesub53 -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:32:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Your ambassador was raped........Really ? Yes. I realize that it is a "cultural thing" with them. quote: Some terrorists kiled your people so you want to nuke the whole Libyan nation.......how very civillised. They murdered our ambassador. Ambassadors, by tradition, are inviolate. It is an act of war. And no, I do not think that we need to nuke ALL of Libya. I do think that reprisals need to be enacted. Cluster bombs, burning naptha, starving them with seige warfare. Something. Taking a page from Nancy Regan and Ilya Somin, "Just say NO to terrorism." quote: Traditional rules of warfare make everyone in Benghazi culpable ? Yes. When the Libyan troops abandoned their posts protecting the embassy and then fingered the safe house, they sided with the enemy. This is a problem for Libya. quote: Youve lost the plot on this one. Rather the community of the sensetive than the community of the stupid. The barbarians in the middle east are not going to and will not differentiate between your community of the sensitive and what you are calling the community of the stupid, with their axes, machetes, and AK-47's. If you will recall, our murdered ambassador was one of the international community of the very very sensitive. The allegation of rape has been called false by the so called source.......The AFP. I have never said going after those involved is wrong, just your plan to go after everyone. Yes yes, keep bombing a killing, that will work. Nothing sensetive about me, I can just see the futility of your suggestion. Since when has the death by terrorists been classed as an act of war by a whole nation....Thats just dumb.

Politesub53 -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:33:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: It's pretty amusing (to me) to see all the usual suspects that trash Christianity defending Islam so ardently. What a crock of shit. Did you expect anything less ? These dopes think speaking up for ordinary Muslims is the same as speaking up for terrorists.

Politesub53 -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:36:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: A bare faced lie butch Why call me a liar when your post says it all... it is leadership they approve of not us... Because the remark I replied to was a lie...... re-read it.

Shoedaddy -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:41:15 PM)
This blowback is not about some film. This is blowback against U.S. foreign policy. Hillary is lying to you in an effort to keep the focus away from calling it what it is. Yes the movie pisses off Muslims, but our foreign policy is far worse than whatever that movie can throw at them. I'm surprised its taken this long.

kdsub -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:47:21 PM)
I have no idea what you are talking about politesub...we seem to have a lack of understanding. Lets just say we disagree about what is in the hearts of the majority of Muslims and let it go at that.... Time will tell I suppose. Butch

Politesub53 -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I have no idea what you are talking about politesub...we seem to have a lack of understanding. Lets just say we disagree about what is in the hearts of the majority of Muslims and let it go at that.... Time will tell I suppose. Butch Lets not.......... You claimed there is no approval of America...... I posted this before from the very link we are on about. Do you really think people would give an affirmative to Obama but not your Nation ? Its obvious the vote is for America and its policies in the region. <<Record-High Support for U.S. Leadership in MENA Region: U.S. support for the Libyan revolution may have generated an almost unprecedented level of goodwill toward the U.S. In 2012, 54% of Libyans approve of U.S. leadership -- >> Yes time will tell.........But there is no proof anywhere that Muslims (except a few fanatics) want to turn the world into a giant Sharia state.

Politesub53 -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/16/2012 3:59:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shoedaddy This blowback is not about some film. This is blowback against U.S. foreign policy. Hillary is lying to you in an effort to keep the focus away from calling it what it is. Yes the movie pisses off Muslims, but our foreign policy is far worse than whatever that movie can throw at them. I'm surprised its taken this long. You are partly right, there has always been a political blowback. There is little doubt though that the film was indeed the trigger. In the UK Muslims are talking about the film for the most part and not US/UK foreign policy.

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