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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:32:24 PM   
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I know quite a few people that do not have health insurance and say they cannot afford it........but they could.

If they gave up stuff like

Owning half a dozen or more horses
" " dogs
" " cats
" " kids

Going on vacations every year
Thinking they need a new car every couple of years
Owning and racing cars
" " motorcycles
Competing in Demolition Derbys
Eating out 3-10 times a week
Buying coffee at the coffee place rather than brew it at home
Buying crap magazines(People, Equirer, etc) by the armloads
Buying crap to put into their bodies that only cause them to become more unhealthy (soda, cigarettes, junk food)
Buying fancy cell phones, big screen televisions, etc.

And the list goes on and on.

The above list are things that I have seen, with my own eyes, from people I know personally. People that say they cannot afford to pay for health insurance. People that go running to the ER when they get sick and blow off paying anything for the services they've gotten. People that dive for the paperwork to get Title 19, or whatever it is, to help pay the bill......then welch on whatever is left. People that would sooner file bankruptcy than try to pay off a few thousand dollar (or more) medical bill.

Hell, I know someone that bought a $30,000.00 motorcycle, then totalled it a month or so after it was purchased. He had no health insurance and had a $65,000.00 medical bill (last I heard......still not finished) Guess how much he will end up paying........ZERO!!!!!!!! Because he still qualifies for government aid.

Yay for the current system!!! Booo for a system that forces people to take some personal responsibility. Ya.......cuz yanno, we just gotta hate on those people that don't pay taxes. Well, the person with the $65,000.00 and counting medical bill does pay taxes. But I seriously doubt the taxes he pays will hit the $65,000.00 mark anytime soon.

In a lot of ways I get the old school Repub ideals......unfortunately they've gone so far off the rails there isn't a one of them left I would vote for. They have fucked themselves by refusing to be realistic.


Not sure where you live but here you can't do anything of the sort. The Hospital comes after you for each and every dime up to and including garnishing wages.......


And you can avoid the bill simply by tossing it into the trash.....or declaring bankruptcy.

It's done every day.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:33:56 PM   
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And who sent those jobs overseas? hmm?


Uhhhh.....that would be Clinton.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:34:58 PM   
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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:35:26 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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Romney will do nothing positive for anyone earning less than $250,000 a year.

NOTHING


I think you'll be surprised....however, I don't think he has a chance in hell of getting elected.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:36:49 PM   
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And who sent those jobs overseas? hmm?


Uhhhh.....that would be Clinton.


Oh so Clinton TOLD all those businesses to send their jobs overseas.

Wow.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:37:09 PM   
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Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Class Americans


Yeah but "middle class" is people making $250,000/year -- Romney 'splained it to me.


Hey you think Rob will know how I can get back some of that $28k Romney SAYS I HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING IN TAXES THE PAST FEW YEARS since I went solo?
Cause it would be nice if I could get it back if I am going to have a President who says I am "not his concern".



You can hop in your dinghy and float on off to Cuba Skippy


That was actually really fucking funny! :)

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:37:49 PM   
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And you can avoid the bill simply by tossing it into the trash.....or declaring bankruptcy.

It's done every day.


lol.. bankruptcy laws have changed.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:42:11 PM   
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And who sent those jobs overseas? hmm?


Uhhhh.....that would be Clinton.


Oh so Clinton TOLD all those businesses to send their jobs overseas.

Wow.


Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).

It was his opinion that if Mexico, China, India and others were making as much as we were....they could afford OUR products (much like Ford's opinion to double wages for his employees, realizing that if his own employees couldn't afford his product....there didn't seem to be much logic in producing it....and 6 weeks later he had 35,000 men show up asking for a job).

Ergo, our exports would increase.

It's actually a very logical edict.

And yes, that was Clinton who gave us this.

(If I recall...they actually have a word for this kind of dissemination.....I think it's called "reading"....also occasionally referred to as "being aware of the facts").

That's your guy isn't it? Clinton....a Democrat?

Yeah...right....ok...enjoy :)

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:46:52 PM   
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And you can avoid the bill simply by tossing it into the trash.....or declaring bankruptcy.

It's done every day.


lol.. bankruptcy laws have changed.


Have they now? Well, I'm glad you're so irreparably well informed.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 3:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as tossing them into the trash, each state has different laws governing what bill collectors can garnish for and what they cant.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:01:03 PM   
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Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).


I did, thank you.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Want to try again?

And what does this have to do with jobs going "overseas"?

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:15:56 PM   
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Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).


I did, thank you.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Want to try again?

And what does this have to do with jobs going "overseas"?


No....I don't see the need to...you stated it much better than I could....Clinton ratified it.

He signed it.

Made it law.

As Romney has stated more than (at least) once....he'll kill the health care law.

If Clinton didn't believe in NAFTA, he could have done so as well.

(Uhm.....he didn't...as history provides).

He also added to the law.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:17:29 PM   
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Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).


I did, thank you.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Want to try again?

And what does this have to do with jobs going "overseas"?


As to jobs heading overseas....that's what NAFTA was all about....again, I encourage to read.

(It's a remarkable thing).

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:35:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The agreement opened the door for open trade, ending tariffs on various goods and services, and implementing equality between Canada, USA, and Mexico. NAFTA has allowed agricultural goods such as eggs, corn, and meats to be tariff-free. This allowed corporations to trade freely and import and export various goods on a North American scale. Since the implementation of NAFTA, the countries involved have been able to do the following:


When did Canada and Mexico become overseas?

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:36:32 PM   
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Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).


I did, thank you.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Want to try again?

And what does this have to do with jobs going "overseas"?


No....I don't see the need to...you stated it much better than I could....Clinton ratified it.

He signed it.

Made it law.

As Romney has stated more than (at least) once....he'll kill the health care law.

If Clinton didn't believe in NAFTA, he could have done so as well.

(Uhm.....he didn't...as history provides).

He also added to the law.


I am curious as to how a President can "kill a law".

Bush started the trade agreement.

Clinton finished it.

NOne of this has anything to do with overseas.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:47:51 PM   
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The agreement opened the door for open trade, ending tariffs on various goods and services, and implementing equality between Canada, USA, and Mexico. NAFTA has allowed agricultural goods such as eggs, corn, and meats to be tariff-free. This allowed corporations to trade freely and import and export various goods on a North American scale. Since the implementation of NAFTA, the countries involved have been able to do the following:


When did Canada and Mexico become overseas?


I'm not sure Tazzy.....could have been while I wasn't looking...lots of things change over the years....however, I never said that it was about overseas stuff....I said it was called the "North American Trade Agreement"...perhaps you're not clear on the intricacies of such a title, but it would appear to me to refer to those countries that are in (here it comes....wait.....it's almost here...).....North America.

You may also recall I stated: "It was his opinion that if Mexico, China, India and others were making as much as we were....they could afford OUR products (much like Ford's opinion to double wages for his employees, realizing that if his own employees couldn't afford his product....there didn't seem to be much logic in producing it....and 6 weeks later he had 35,000 men show up asking for a job)."

And indeed, that was his (Clinton's) opinion.

Did NAFTA have anything to do with China or India? Not as far as I or any other reasonable person who reads and educates themselves on the facts can tell....however, that was his argument....that when the world can afford to purchase our products, our exports will rise.

Indeed they have, and Clinton was correct...it was, for all practical purposes a genius move.

It also increased substantially, our imports, far in excess of what our exports by virtue, became.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:50:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And who sent those jobs overseas? hmm?


Uhhhh.....that would be Clinton.


Oh so Clinton TOLD all those businesses to send their jobs overseas.

Wow.


You may want to revisit the original questions then.

I asked about jobs going overseas.

NAFTA didnt have anything to do with it.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:52:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Uh huh....that's exactly right. It was (and is) called the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

"NAFTA".

(You're welcome to look it up).


I did, thank you.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Want to try again?

And what does this have to do with jobs going "overseas"?


No....I don't see the need to...you stated it much better than I could....Clinton ratified it.

He signed it.

Made it law.

As Romney has stated more than (at least) once....he'll kill the health care law.

If Clinton didn't believe in NAFTA, he could have done so as well.

(Uhm.....he didn't...as history provides).

He also added to the law.


I am curious as to how a President can "kill a law".

Bush started the trade agreement.

Clinton finished it.

NOne of this has anything to do with overseas.


Actually, that's fairly simple....glad you asked, as you appear to want desperately to be well informed.

1) Presidential signing papers....essentially making it so.

2) Petitioning Congress for new laws that via Congressional vote, reverse previous legislation through new legislation.

3) Going directly to the public and petitioning them to ask Congress to do so (they call it "The Bully Pulpit").

4) Vetoing proposed legislation as it lands on his or her desk until he or she gets what (he or she) wants.

(Let me know if you need anything more on this subject).



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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:56:19 PM   
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And who sent those jobs overseas? hmm?


Uhhhh.....that would be Clinton.


Oh so Clinton TOLD all those businesses to send their jobs overseas.

Wow.


You may want to revisit the original questions then.

I asked about jobs going overseas.

NAFTA didnt have anything to do with it.


NAFTA had everything to do with it.

Once manufacturers not only discovered they could, but in fact had new federal legislation allowing them to move production elsewhere (via NAFTA), they began looking for other manufacturing facilities globally.

New markets suddenly opened up who were willing to produce for vastly less, indeed, foreign governments were then freed up to contact directly, GM, GE and others....and NAFTA became an afterthought, only a legislative "bridge" to lower costs worldwide.

Honey....I'm an economist...I do this stuff in my sleep....pick another fight...trust me.

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RE: Obama raises taxes on 6 MILLION uninsured Middle Cl... - 9/20/2012 4:59:56 PM   
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1......... Yoo and Bybee claimed, and still claim, that the President has the constitutional power to override all laws, all legal limits on his authority. If that were so, the entire Bill of Rights could be nullified at the will of the President. Everyone, left and right, conservative and liberal, Tea Party types and ACLUers, should be chilled by and afraid of that prospect.

Yeah, dont see that happening.

2....... It would have to pass through both sides and then be signed... not likely to happen if dems retain either side.

3.......... That aint gonna happen with the health care law.

4......... lol... that aint gonna happen either.

But thank you for the walk through fantasy land.

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