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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 6:07:49 PM   
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WTF? Is it ok to borrow money for our military.. and only for our military?


Greetings,

Do you suggest disbanding the military if we cannot pay cash?

Live well,
Arturas

Nah,that would probably be a bad idea
But riddle me this....why do we need so much military that we must borrow money to pay for it ?
Surely,given the greatness of our country,we can figure out a way to make do with the military we can afford.....without stripping the other societal costs a great country is responsible for.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 6:10:13 PM   
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In the grand scheme of things, the NEA budget is pennies.



Greetings,

Ah, here is where the business leader can save the day because they know that anyone in debt cannot orget that a lot of little things add up to a lot and a big difference and for the U.S. Government, a hell of a lot.

That is what Gov. Romney knows to be true.

Well wishes,
Arturas

How do we know this ?
What Mittens believes today,he disavows tomorrow....what Mittens knows today,he has forgotten tomorrow....and claims never to have heard of it yesterday

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:31:17 PM   
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No insult intended to your wife but you should probably get a new person to do your books.

If the economy does add 12 million jobs during a putative 4 year Romney administration, which is what Romney predicts, those jobs would have to pay, on average, over $400,000 per year to bring the budget into balance.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/mitt-romneys-fuzzy-debate-math/

Don’t be such a simpleton.

Simply to state you mean no offense is generally an opening to doing just that. And you held true to that.

Using her intellectual prowess, or lack thereof as you are implying to advance your brand superfluous nonsense shows a level of class that I hadn't previously observed in you.

You know as well as I do that Romney has no intention of implying that widening the tax base as being the only action that needs to be taken to balance our budget. My wife could understand that part, perhaps you should spend a bit more time enhancing your own intellectual capacity before you chose to offer various degrees of mockery or duplicitous notions of levity in the direction of others.


As is obvious from the math the blogger presents. widening the tax base is simply insufficient. Cutting spending, especially inside the restraints Romney has given (no decrease in defence spending), will not do it. The only viable strategy is the one thing Romney has said he will not do, increase tax revenue by increasing rates.

Anyone that inescapable numeric fact escapes probably shouldn't be doing anyones books.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:33:02 PM   
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don't further confuse him


Further proof that you lack the knowledge to know the difference.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:34:24 PM   
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Libertarian can be different to different folks. Here's my idea in a nutshell.




Pretty much nutshelled that.

Have to add that if you want to make your own choices, you should also choose to make your own payments.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 5:32:00 AM   
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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 5:34:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you obviously have bought the Republican line hook and sinker I will only comment about Ohio. I suggest you slap your dear friends around the ears and tell them to wake up. Our Unemployment rate topped out in 2009 and dropped there after. Kasich was a befeficiary of Obama's work. He was only inaugurated in jan 2011. A mere bystander.....just as it would have been if we'd have re-elected Gov. Strickland.

If you have direct evidence of Obama "paying" off Unions then I think you should let it be known. Otherwise, it is simply bullshit shot out of the ass of rush limbaugh for you to munch on.

See the problem is you and others look at it and only see Union Jobs. But the real win here is all the small businesses that supplied and relied on those plants to be there that are still in business. From our last small American Owned Tire Company in this country Cooper Tire to Flat rolled steel companies in Kentucky to small tool and die shops in Indiana to the many diners that dot the areas around the plants that depend on the workers to come in for a meal. Non Union Jobs. Small businesses that are the backbone of our Economy. By taking the chance, by believing in his fellow citizens, Obama gave all these places new life. So, call it what you want......the truth is still there. He believes in the American Worker. And, we, believe in him.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 5:35:58 AM   
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Most Conservatives get their art offa Country Music Television. Don't need no NEA


Are most conservatives also white?


Strange question. I try not to see color in my fellow Americans. Why do you always want to go there?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 6:07:11 AM   
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don't further confuse him


Further proof that you lack the knowledge to know the difference.


Sure I do. Libertarians are mostly republicans that don't like the total GOP line about morals.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 8:19:17 AM   
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Which one of those requires someone else to make the payments?


It's a general comment, tazzy. I support every comment in HillWilliams attachment. I do think people need to be held accountable for their actions. Thus, if you were involved in fraudulent lending standards, your ass needs to suffer the consequences. If you take risks and lose, you lose and Big Gov isn't coming to rescue you at the brink. If you engage in poor business practices and your business fails, your business fails. If you choose to not work (notice the limiting factor?) and have no other source of income, best of luck to you. If you don't take proper safety precautions and the unthinkable happens, your ass is had better be ready to compensate for the unthinkable.

That's what I'm talking about.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 8:22:02 AM   
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don't further confuse him

Further proof that you lack the knowledge to know the difference.

Sure I do. Libertarians are mostly republicans that don't like the total GOP line about morals.


Then, how is it you get confused between Republican, Libertarian, and Conservative? You did know that there are Conservative Democrats, right?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 8:36:06 AM   
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don't further confuse him


Further proof that you lack the knowledge to know the difference.


Sure I do. Libertarians are mostly republicans that don't like the total GOP line about morals.

You're somewhat close.
Some Libertarians are what Republicans were when I was young and well before you were born prior to Reagan selling the soul of the party to the religious nuts.

Libertarians believe the government should stay the fuck out of our personal lives and only do what is in the constitution.
Libertarians are against corporate welfare.(this includes bailouts and big oil)
Libertarians believe churches aren't supposed to be political.
Libertarians believe that the government needs to see to the welfare of those who honestly need help.
Libertarians are for small government and fiscal responsibility.
Libertarians believe that we don't need to stick our nose into everyone else's fights.
The strange thing is that Libertarians have a reputation of being "A bunch of Goddam Libtards" by the rank and file of the Republican party.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 10/6/2012 8:38:02 AM >

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 9:03:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which is all great stuff but there is some much that drops outside of those parameters that Libertarians don't address.

Who says who is truly needy?
What is small gov't?
But what if others are fighting and someone is killing a bunch of others. Do we still stay out of the fight?


Just a few things Libertarianism doesn't address

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 9:24:16 AM   
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Since you obviously have bought the Republican line hook and sinker I will only comment about Ohio. I suggest you slap your dear friends around the ears and tell them to wake up. Our Unemployment rate topped out in 2009 and dropped there after. Kasich was a befeficiary of Obama's work. He was only inaugurated in jan 2011. A mere bystander.....just as it would have been if we'd have re-elected Gov. Strickland.

If you have direct evidence of Obama "paying" off Unions then I think you should let it be known. Otherwise, it is simply bullshit shot out of the ass of rush limbaugh for you to munch on.

See the problem is you and others look at it and only see Union Jobs. But the real win here is all the small businesses that supplied and relied on those plants to be there that are still in business. From our last small American Owned Tire Company in this country Cooper Tire to Flat rolled steel companies in Kentucky to small tool and die shops in Indiana to the many diners that dot the areas around the plants that depend on the workers to come in for a meal. Non Union Jobs. Small businesses that are the backbone of our Economy. By taking the chance, by believing in his fellow citizens, Obama gave all these places new life. So, call it what you want......the truth is still there. He believes in the American Worker. And, we, believe in him.


I’ll have to look into your stats on the Ohio recovery. I will admit my knowledge is based a bit more than I like on hearsay.

I actually never watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh; he is the only conservative person on the planet more focused on talking points and bloviating than Hannity, who annoys the shit right out of me.

You know I don't like attacking Obama, as I have stated before and outside of this thread, Obama isn't wrong on everything and hasn't done bad all the time. He just doesn't do some very important things I believe should be a priority of a president.

If he is re-elected, I'll not stand around bashing him, if he's doing well, I'll go on about my own busy day. The same goes for Romney. While I know you support Obama and in your eyes he's the man. I just don't see him in the same light as you. And you know it isn't even his job creating policies that bite my ass, I really believe he is doing what he thinks best. I just am not impressed with him as a leader of us all. You guys go on about the 47% thing. Obama has never said any such thing publically, but I certainly feel I belong in the 47% of America he doesn't give a shit about.

Here it is DYB. My big thing is I hate Big Government!!!!! I absolutely hate it.... Obama is growing the beast every day. Sure the GOP has contributed to that, but Romney is talking about shrinking it. Obama brags about growing it.

But again, I'm glad that Ohio is doing better. It's a beautiful state with an amazing cast of characters.


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 9:41:59 AM   
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Most Conservatives get their art offa Country Music Television. Don't need no NEA


Are most conservatives also white?


Strange question. I try not to see color in my fellow Americans. Why do you always want to go there?



Not really that strange and you are rather bright, so you know why I asked it. The assertion of stereotypes can be somewhat revealing.

Interestingly enough, you claim that you don't try to see color in your fellow Americans, yet you do title yourself as Blk, to which I assume meant black, though I suppose Blank, Bleak, Bloke, Block, Bullock or any other of a whole host of words could fit. Or was I errant in my assumption as to your title?


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 9:45:54 AM   
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but Romney is talking about shrinking it.

Yeah, he talks real cheap, and it is just talk, because he also talks about expanding the military and alot of other asswipe as well.

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Obama brags about growing it.


I imagine there is a credible citation in the offing on this bit of extravagant claim?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 9:49:22 AM   
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Which is all great stuff but there is some much that drops outside of those parameters that Libertarians don't address.

Who says who is truly needy?
What is small gov't?
But what if others are fighting and someone is killing a bunch of others. Do we still stay out of the fight?


Just a few things Libertarianism doesn't address

The truly needy are whose who would go without shelter or food otherwise.
This country spends $2 on welfare for rich people (corporate subsidies) for every 1$ it spends on the poor.
Small government wouldn't have a "Department of homeland security" and several other departments could be combined.
If a bunch of people in some far corner of the world want to kill each other, fucking LET THEM. Our children don't need to die in someone else's wars.

You just learned what Libertarianism really is. How can you say what it does and does not address from a tiny thumbnail sketch?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 11:16:33 AM   
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Which is all great stuff but there is some much that drops outside of those parameters that Libertarians don't address.
Who says who is truly needy?


The truly needy do not include those whose choice is to let someone else take care of them when they are capable of taking care of themselves. Thus, if a person is too old to work and can't take care of themselves, they are truly needy. A person that chooses not to work and has no capability limitation to work, is not.

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What is small gov't?


Other than a boon to personal liberty? It's a government bound and constrained by a conservative, or "original intent" interpretation of the US Constitution.

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But what if others are fighting and someone is killing a bunch of others. Do we still stay out of the fight?


The US Constitution does not have any authorities given to the Federal Government regarding inserting ourselves into foreign affairs. The NATO treaty we have entered into, however, does give authority to the Federal Government to aid the other member countries when they are attacked. Further, our membership in the UN provides some authority to the Federal Government to uphold US Resolutions. NATO actions and UN Resolutions can not trump the US Constitution and force the Federal Government into doing things it is limited from by the Constitution.

Just a few things Libertarianism doesn't address

Actually, just a few things you don't understand how Libertarianism adresses.


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 11:23:56 AM   
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Most Conservatives get their art offa Country Music Television. Don't need no NEA


Are most conservatives also white?


Strange question. I try not to see color in my fellow Americans. Why do you always want to go there?



Not really that strange and you are rather bright, so you know why I asked it. The assertion of stereotypes can be somewhat revealing.

Interestingly enough, you claim that you don't try to see color in your fellow Americans, yet you do title yourself as Blk, to which I assume meant black, though I suppose Blank, Bleak, Bloke, Block, Bullock or any other of a whole host of words could fit. Or was I errant in my assumption as to your title?



You asked a leading question with the answer squarely in your mind. But back to the original. Why would anyone be against the NEA? The Arts are a reflection of who we are. It will be those things that people dig up thousands of years from now and theorize about us. Not our companies or our jobs or anything else that we think is noteworthy. Is some art offensive? Sure. Does it challenge us in places we might not want? Yes......But it is a reflection of ourselves.


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/6/2012 11:28:39 AM   
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Which is all great stuff but there is some much that drops outside of those parameters that Libertarians don't address.

Who says who is truly needy?
What is small gov't?
But what if others are fighting and someone is killing a bunch of others. Do we still stay out of the fight?


Just a few things Libertarianism doesn't address

The truly needy are whose who would go without shelter or food otherwise.
This country spends $2 on welfare for rich people (corporate subsidies) for every 1$ it spends on the poor.
Small government wouldn't have a "Department of homeland security" and several other departments could be combined.
If a bunch of people in some far corner of the world want to kill each other, fucking LET THEM. Our children don't need to die in someone else's wars.

You just learned what Libertarianism really is. How can you say what it does and does not address from a tiny thumbnail sketch?


I talk to people and read. I don't know that much about it. Just seems to me when I hear things that Libertarians are for....I am like "oh yeah, well how do you administer that. How would it work?"

So a working person at a low wage job gets let go and the unemployment won't meet the gas and electric bill. Is that just tough shit? Or are you going to have a program to help pay for that.

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