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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 2:18:40 AM   
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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 3:17:56 AM   
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The base and the party apparatus care more about being in power than anything else. Getting Obama out is their dream, along with repealing Obamacare, cutting funding to NPR, and vetoing democratic initiatives.

The base and the party apparatus care more about being in power than anything else. Keeping Obmam in is their dream, along with preventing the repeal of Obamacare, continuing funding to NPR and funding democratic initiatives.

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Obama looked bad to me. It's as if he wanted the viewers to see Mitt Romney's policies as self-evidently poor as they are generally regarded by the reading, informed public. He did not effectively explain why he's a better candidate for President.

Agreed. He most definately did not explain why he's a better candidate for President.

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Next, about the role of government. This is so simple, and Obama fucked it up completely.

What all Americans want is good government. We also don't want the fox guarding the hen house. Bad government leads to IRAQ and the financial crisis. Corrupt government leads to the Nuclear mess we saw in Japan. Bad ineffective government lead to 9/11 and the Katrina response. Bad government contributes to creating the mortgage crisis and great recession. As far as regulation goes, we want effective regulation -- the kind of regulation that checks wall street abuses and helps prevent oil leaks in the gulf, and that insures we all breathe clean air and drink clean water. If you elect Romney, he will put the foxes in charge of the hen houses. Everything will be business friendly instead of American friendly. Regulators will be working for special interests, not American interests, not the public interest.

American's want more regulation? It's the banks fault that I borrowed 400K while making 40K? Seriously? These are talking points?

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Next, government needs was to be more efficient and cost effective in delivering its services, and this is why the 15 member medical panel is so important: we want to deliver better, more cost effective care to Americans. Expecting individual Americans to enter the health care market by themselves seeking lower costs is insane, better that Americans ban together and collectively bargain for lower rates on health care services and prescriptions drugs as a group.

Are American's that incapable that they can't form bargaining units without the assistance of the Federal Government? Considering that my life and the lives of my family are the single most important things I have to protect, I consider what I currently spend on health insurance quite reasonable. I pay more for a car payment + car insurance. I pay more for my mortgage. I pay nearly as much for gasoline per month.

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The private sector is not always better. Look at the private contractors in the Military who are paid 3-4 times more than our own soldiers. Look at the cost of health coverage for a medicare recipient as opposed to someone paying out of pocket.

Completely spun. Yes, they are paid more in salary. They cost less, however. That's why they're used. The cost of a soldier is not his pay - it's his training and upkeep. The only cost for a contractor is his hourly/daily/weekly/monthly rental rate. The cost for a soldier is (if memory serves) something along the line of a million dollars before he lifts a single useful finger.

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Mr. Romney said he wants to grow the economy to cut our deficit, but cutting the US deficit has never occurred without raising taxes. He's telling America it can lose weight by eating ice cream. His plan if foolish and history says you can't believe what he's saying.

You can lose weight by eating ice cream. All you have to do is run on the treadmill for an hour a day instead of sitting on your indolent ass collecting welfare. You can also reduce the deficit and cut taxes if you either increase revenue by growing the tax base or cut spending, or both.

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Obama looked like he just rolled out of bed after a hard week and showed up unprepared and uninspired.

I guess hope and change wore him out, and he doesn't have another buzz-phrase.

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Lastly, the US government should not be turning our park lands over to oil companies for drilling.

You're right. We should keep sending our dollars to Islamic countries that hate us and want to destroy us. Much better plan.

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Obama might have also have mentioned the role of Citizen's United on the elections and how this will impact government, making it more corrupt. He might also have said the Mitt Romney would appoint judges on the Supreme Court who would roll the US back into the Guilded Age while repealing Roe v. Wade.

Don't even get me started on SC Judges. Obama got his pick. If either side picked well, there would always be 9-0 decisions, since it's not supposed to be about anything other than the constitution. The simple fact that there is ever disagreement proves that partisanship plays a role which means the Supreme Court is a joke anyway...

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Obama also didn't say anything to help any Senators or Representatives win elections in their own state. Obama never asked Romney if he faced over 200 filibusters when he was the governor of Massachusetts.

He didn't. Most likely because none of his ideas were that bad. He also never faced a virtual filibuster from his own party like Obama has with every budget he has submitted.

That said, I hate both candidates. They both suck terribly.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 3:34:49 AM   
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In the end, the only money actually lost would be the $5 million removed from NPR. According to the company’s audited financial statements, revenue for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2010 was $184.3 million, up from $148.7 million the prior year. So losing the $5 million would have cost NPR 2.7 percent of its 2010 revenue or 3.4 percent of its 2009 revenue. Neither of those percentages seem like they’d put NPR out of business.


http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/mar/26/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-ending-federal-funding-npr-woul/

I find it hilarious that a program that we all grew up with in the US is taking the hit for 5 million dollars simply because its viewed as a Liberal program.

5 million? Come on. The military loses more money than that in a day.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:04:29 AM   
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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:11:24 AM   
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cloudboy
The base and the party apparatus care more about being in power than anything else. Getting Obama out is their dream, along with repealing Obamacare, cutting funding to NPR, and vetoing democratic initiatives.

The base and the party apparatus care more about being in power than anything else. Keeping Obmam in is their dream, along with preventing the repeal of Obamacare, continuing funding to NPR and funding democratic initiatives.


You forgot to add "and not even consider conservative initiatives."

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Obama looked bad to me. It's as if he wanted the viewers to see Mitt Romney's policies as self-evidently poor as they are generally regarded by the reading, informed public. He did not effectively explain why he's a better candidate for President.

Agreed. He most definately did not explain why he's a better candidate for President.


I don't agree with you there. He showed the differences between himself and Obama, something McCain couldn't do much of (because he wasn't all that different). It was clear that the plans they have are dissimilar, and he explained why his plans are better. Thus, he did explain why he's the better candidate.

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Next, about the role of government. This is so simple, and Obama fucked it up completely.
What all Americans want is good government. We also don't want the fox guarding the hen house. Bad government leads to IRAQ and the financial crisis. Corrupt government leads to the Nuclear mess we saw in Japan. Bad ineffective government lead to 9/11 and the Katrina response. Bad government contributes to creating the mortgage crisis and great recession. As far as regulation goes, we want effective regulation -- the kind of regulation that checks wall street abuses and helps prevent oil leaks in the gulf, and that insures we all breathe clean air and drink clean water. If you elect Romney, he will put the foxes in charge of the hen houses. Everything will be business friendly instead of American friendly. Regulators will be working for special interests, not American interests, not the public interest.

American's want more regulation? It's the banks fault that I borrowed 400K while making 40K? Seriously? These are talking points?


In some cases, yes, it was the banks fault. Not common, but there were cases where the banks were fraudulent in their "selling" of the mortgage to the borrower. For the most part, it took two to tango, leaving the borrower liable, too.

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Next, government needs was to be more efficient and cost effective in delivering its services, and this is why the 15 member medical panel is so important: we want to deliver better, more cost effective care to Americans. Expecting individual Americans to enter the health care market by themselves seeking lower costs is insane, better that Americans ban together and collectively bargain for lower rates on health care services and prescriptions drugs as a group.

Are American's that incapable that they can't form bargaining units without the assistance of the Federal Government? Considering that my life and the lives of my family are the single most important things I have to protect, I consider what I currently spend on health insurance quite reasonable. I pay more for a car payment + car insurance. I pay more for my mortgage. I pay nearly as much for gasoline per month.


Kudos to you for your actions and priorities. They have paid off for you.

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The private sector is not always better. Look at the private contractors in the Military who are paid 3-4 times more than our own soldiers. Look at the cost of health coverage for a medicare recipient as opposed to someone paying out of pocket.

Completely spun. Yes, they are paid more in salary. They cost less, however. That's why they're used. The cost of a soldier is not his pay - it's his training and upkeep. The only cost for a contractor is his hourly/daily/weekly/monthly rental rate. The cost for a soldier is (if memory serves) something along the line of a million dollars before he lifts a single useful finger.


Then, you add in Hazard Pay, and, and, and...

Taking a soldier out of his actual role over there to do the work of the contractors, and you'll have to increase the number of soldiers over there massively. We don't have the numbers to do that. We also don't have soldiers trained to do the work the contractors do, so we'd either be there that much longer, or we'd provide shitty infrastructure in return for the damage we've done.

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Mr. Romney said he wants to grow the economy to cut our deficit, but cutting the US deficit has never occurred without raising taxes. He's telling America it can lose weight by eating ice cream. His plan if foolish and history says you can't believe what he's saying.

You can lose weight by eating ice cream. All you have to do is run on the treadmill for an hour a day instead of sitting on your indolent ass collecting welfare. You can also reduce the deficit and cut taxes if you either increase revenue by growing the tax base or cut spending, or both.


No need to bring those on welfare into this one.

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Obama looked like he just rolled out of bed after a hard week and showed up unprepared and uninspired.

I guess hope and change wore him out, and he doesn't have another buzz-phrase.


Romney: "Don't believe the hype!"

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Lastly, the US government should not be turning our park lands over to oil companies for drilling.

You're right. We should keep sending our dollars to Islamic countries that hate us and want to destroy us. Much better plan.


Careful now. The South American countries that we buy oil from and hate us might get upset you're leaving them out.

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Obama might have also have mentioned the role of Citizen's United on the elections and how this will impact government, making it more corrupt. He might also have said the Mitt Romney would appoint judges on the Supreme Court who would roll the US back into the Guilded Age while repealing Roe v. Wade.

Don't even get me started on SC Judges. Obama got his pick. If either side picked well, there would always be 9-0 decisions, since it's not supposed to be about anything other than the constitution. The simple fact that there is ever disagreement proves that partisanship plays a role which means the Supreme Court is a joke anyway...


If we changed the rules as to how the Constitution was to be interpreted, or how the interpretations were to be based, then, yes, the SC would always have a 9-0 result. What would be really interesting to see, though, is how many R-appointed Justices aren't always lock-step with the Republican party, compared to how many D-appointed Justices that aren't lock-step with the Democrat party.

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Obama also didn't say anything to help any Senators or Representatives win elections in their own state. Obama never asked Romney if he faced over 200 filibusters when he was the governor of Massachusetts.

He didn't. Most likely because none of his ideas were that bad. He also never faced a virtual filibuster from his own party like Obama has with every budget he has submitted.
That said, I hate both candidates. They both suck terribly.


Personal opinion, one candidate does suck less than the other...

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:16:14 AM   
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In the end, the only money actually lost would be the $5 million removed from NPR. According to the company’s audited financial statements, revenue for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2010 was $184.3 million, up from $148.7 million the prior year. So losing the $5 million would have cost NPR 2.7 percent of its 2010 revenue or 3.4 percent of its 2009 revenue. Neither of those percentages seem like they’d put NPR out of business.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/mar/26/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-ending-federal-funding-npr-woul/
I find it hilarious that a program that we all grew up with in the US is taking the hit for 5 million dollars simply because its viewed as a Liberal program.
5 million? Come on. The military loses more money than that in a day.


Hilarious? How about disingenuous?

Romney isn't going after PBS because they cost too much. Romney will defund the NEA, which is where PBS's funding comes from, but that' not the only place the NEA's funding goes. That's why he said he was sorry to Jim Lehrer, too. It wasn't that he was going after PBS, but that he was going to defund the NEA and PBS was going to take a hit in the process.

But, way to spin it!

And, what is off the chopping block? "Subsidies for Big Oil?" Actually, no. They'll go, too, if need be to balance the budget.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:28:18 AM   
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No spin... none at all... NPR has been on the chopping block for a while now.. and thats all the cost savings it would generate for the federal budget.

NEA budget.....2011 with a budget of $154 million.

During FY 2009, the GAO reported that the U.S. government incurred approximately $683 billion in expenses for the Department of Defense (DoD) and $54 billion for Homeland Security, a total of $737 billion. The GAO financial statements present data on an accrual basis, meaning as expenses are incurred rather than actual cash payments.[39]

In the grand scheme of things, the NEA budget is pennies.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:47:10 AM   
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No spin... none at all... NPR has been on the chopping block for a while now.. and thats all the cost savings it would generate for the federal budget.
NEA budget.....2011 with a budget of $154 million.
During FY 2009, the GAO reported that the U.S. government incurred approximately $683 billion in expenses for the Department of Defense (DoD) and $54 billion for Homeland Security, a total of $737 billion. The GAO financial statements present data on an accrual basis, meaning as expenses are incurred rather than actual cash payments.[39]
In the grand scheme of things, the NEA budget is pennies.


And, now you've gone to the NEA. Thank you.

But, it might just be "pennies," but are they providing the service our DoD is (and we agree that defense spending is over the top)?

From the debate:
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    What things would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they don’t pass it: Is the program so critical it’s worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I’ll get rid of it. Obamacare’s on my list.
    I apologize, Mr. President. I use that term with all respect, by the way.

    OBAMA: I like it.

    ROMNEY: Good. OK, good. So I’ll get rid of that.
    I’m sorry, Jim, I’m going to stop the subsidy to PBS. I’m going to stop other things. I like PBS, I love Big Bird. Actually like you, too. But I’m not going to -- I’m not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for. That’s number one.
    Number two, I’ll take programs that are currently good programs but I think could be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state.
    ROMNEY: Number three, I’ll make government more efficient and to cut back the number of employees, combine some agencies and departments. My cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way.
    This is the approach we have to take to get America to a balanced budget.


So, 2 things. 1. I was wrong. Romney did say he was going to end PBS's subsidy. He'll to it by defunding the NEA, but he did say PBS. And, 2. his acid test for program cuts is very clear. If it's not worth borrowing money from China, he's cutting it.

Do you agree with the testing standard?

Edited because I forgot the link to where I got the transcript.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 5:54:55 AM   
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So, 2 things. 1. I was wrong. Romney did say he was going to end PBS's subsidy. He'll to it by defunding the NEA, but he did say PBS. And, 2. his acid test for program cuts is very clear. If it's not worth borrowing money from China, he's cutting it.

Do you agree with the testing standard?

Edited because I forgot the link to where I got the transcript.


I agree with across the board cuts with the stipulation that services cannot be affected. There is so much fraud and bloat in all these programs.

Instead of chopping out programs, cuts need to be made. The same cuts to NEA should be made to the DoD, to the IRS, to the National Parks service, to Welfare.

They tried to cut welfare back in 2009, but with the same stroke of the pen wanted to add even more to the budget by giving the military more subs.

WTF? Is it ok to borrow money for our military.. and only for our military?

I have no party sympathies with this. Both parties created this mess. Both parties need to fix it.

And not at the expense of those they screwed over in the process.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 6:24:26 AM   
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I agree with across the board cuts with the stipulation that services cannot be affected. There is so much fraud and bloat in all these programs.
Instead of chopping out programs, cuts need to be made. The same cuts to NEA should be made to the DoD, to the IRS, to the National Parks service, to Welfare.
They tried to cut welfare back in 2009, but with the same stroke of the pen wanted to add even more to the budget by giving the military more subs.
WTF? Is it ok to borrow money for our military.. and only for our military?
I have no party sympathies with this. Both parties created this mess. Both parties need to fix it.
And not at the expense of those they screwed over in the process.


How do you define "services?"

I won't say that the cuts to the NEA should be the same for the DoD (DoD should be cut more on a $ basis), the IRS, etc. Some programs are simply not worth borrowing money for. Did we really need to send Brazil $2B to help their off-shore oil drilling business?

I'm all for cutting all monetary foreign aid. I'd am much more supportive of providing goods and services to foreign countries, especially goods and services that will have a residual impact (ie. desalination plants, infrastructure projects to third world areas, etc.). And, I want strings attached to that aid. I would prefer for us to be able to dictate, for a certain time period depending on the aid, how it's going to be used. So, if we build a wind farm in Haiti, the power generated for X years would have to be "free" to the citizens, or not used by their government as a tool for control. I know a lady that is a chemistry teacher who is working on a project with her students (ongoing project) to develop a biofuel that can be used in Africa. They have contact with another group in Africa that they are working with. This biofuel would be used for cooking without having as much of a health impact as what they are cooking with now, and would be sustainable, so more people would have access at a lower cost. That's the kind of thing that should be supported here and provided abroad.

Imagine paying US Citizens to provide services and/or build infrastructure-type projects as part of our foreign aid. Talk about creating new jobs. The projects and services could also be "exported" to other countries. Thus, if Greenland wanted our newly created biofuel technology production facility, they could hire US Citizens to build one and show them how to use it. Might even hire some of them on an extended to run/maintain it until their citizens are trained to do so. Simply shuffling off money or consumable items doesn't have the lasting effect if it's not used properly.

You want to talk about fostering good will. The aid we're doling out now doesn't seem to be helping our image so much (and that's not limited to this President and probably isn't limited to the Presidents who have been office since I was born).

I am very glad to see we do have more common ground to stand on. It might not be exactly the same (we probably differ on some program's worthiness of borrowing), but it's at least somewhat connected.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 6:32:26 AM   
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Blackwater ring a bell? Yeah,,,,,,was great they were along for the ride.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 6:39:17 AM   
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I won't say that the cuts to the NEA should be the same for the DoD (DoD should be cut more on a $ basis), the IRS, etc. Some programs are simply not worth borrowing money for. Did we really need to send Brazil $2B to help their off-shore oil drilling business?


I was referring to percentage. As far as Brazil... do we?



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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 7:05:51 AM   
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I'm sorry, when I watch a debate it is, of course, nice to hear lots of "I'm going to...this...I'm going to...that" 's, but only if they are followed up with some justifiable and appropriate, "and this is how" 's.

Governor Mittens did a great job saying things he is planning to do...or at least planning to do for now, until he finds out some people don't like it, then he will change his mind again...but couldn't give one single example of HOW he would do anything that hasn't already been proven to be a disasterous solution!


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 7:09:04 AM   
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Blackwater ring a bell? Yeah,,,,,,was great they were along for the ride.


You'd rather have our soldiers protecting contractors instead of fighting the war? Really? How many more soldiers would you have wanted in Iraq?


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 7:14:59 AM   
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No spin... none at all... NPR has been on the chopping block for a while now.. and thats all the cost savings it would generate for the federal budget.

NEA budget.....2011 with a budget of $154 million.

During FY 2009, the GAO reported that the U.S. government incurred approximately $683 billion in expenses for the Department of Defense (DoD) and $54 billion for Homeland Security, a total of $737 billion. The GAO financial statements present data on an accrual basis, meaning as expenses are incurred rather than actual cash payments.[39]

In the grand scheme of things, the NEA budget is pennies.

tazzy did you not get the memo on NPR being the devil incarnate (!) It rapes and pillages wherever it goes.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:05:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Blackwater ring a bell? Yeah,,,,,,was great they were along for the ride.


You'd rather have our soldiers protecting contractors instead of fighting the war? Really? How many more soldiers would you have wanted in Iraq?



Neither. Army Corps of Engineers. Contractors were brought in to pay off Cheney's buddies in Houston....Halliburton. Had nothing to do with saving money.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:12:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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Blackwater ring a bell? Yeah,,,,,,was great they were along for the ride.

You'd rather have our soldiers protecting contractors instead of fighting the war? Really? How many more soldiers would you have wanted in Iraq?

Neither. Army Corps of Engineers. Contractors were brought in to pay off Cheney's buddies in Houston....Halliburton. Had nothing to do with saving money.


Not their mission.
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    Mission
    Provide vital public engineering services in peace and war to strengthen our Nation's security, energize the economy, and reduce risks from disasters.


Unless they've been sitting around twiddling their thumbs for the past 10 years or so, are you claiming that they haven't been doing anything and could be taken away from those programs and projects?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:17:38 AM   
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Are you saying that isn't what Halliburton was employed for in iraq? Did we use Halliburton in Vietnam, Korea or WW 1 and 2? Come on. It was a money making scheme.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:20:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


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No spin... none at all... NPR has been on the chopping block for a while now.. and thats all the cost savings it would generate for the federal budget.

NEA budget.....2011 with a budget of $154 million.

During FY 2009, the GAO reported that the U.S. government incurred approximately $683 billion in expenses for the Department of Defense (DoD) and $54 billion for Homeland Security, a total of $737 billion. The GAO financial statements present data on an accrual basis, meaning as expenses are incurred rather than actual cash payments.[39]

In the grand scheme of things, the NEA budget is pennies.

tazzy did you not get the memo on NPR being the devil incarnate (!) It rapes and pillages wherever it goes.



Greetings,

I like Big Bird. I think we should borrow money from China to keep Big Bird. I personally do not see a problem with that. BTW, the 9/11 attack on our embassy in Libya was the work of pissed off utube watchers and I am certain of it. I am also certain Obama won the debate with what's his name and it was because of the Denver altitude and I also believe Gore was not in that Seattle hotel room trying to get hand job from a professional licensed masseuse becasue she was just confused due to extreme global warming that day.

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Arturas



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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/5/2012 9:22:21 AM   
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Dude, don't be bitter cause your ideas are losing..

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