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DomYngBlk -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 11:32:15 AM)

And please get the fucking idiot a map...Get to the sea from iran through syria? Thats the level of intelligence that we'd have as president?




mnottertail -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 11:36:06 AM)

perhaps he was studying a corrected faux nuze map, based on the problems found with this one, but not quite right yet.

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xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 11:54:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk


So, you aren't going to give the President time to find the people that did it? Or are you saying the President wasn't doing his duty at that time. If so, then I hope you hold Reagan and Dubya in the same regard.......If not, then you are just another republican hypocrite


Really? You don't think they know who did this? Come on..........

But as stated I don't think Romney should have jumped on the Embassy Message made the night of the attack.

However Obama didn't want to call this a terrorist attack, and that is obvious. It seems obvious to me that at first the President was wanting the attack that killed the Ambassador to be seen as a response to that ridiculous film and that is what he is being called out on. There is no less threat due to terrorism today than when Obama took office. Bush had already crippled their finances. Beyond that our security agencies are getting the job done for us, not some damn politician. Note I said politician, I didn't say a party or person. If you have stepped in it, no matter your affiliation, I will call you on it. My elected officials are on speed dial and I have no issue of calling them, and do often.




Owner59 -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 11:58:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx


So you automatically assume that has anything to do with how he'd govern?

Seems to me that free and fair trade would be more important to him then. Chinese factories are desperate for American resources.

I actually think he will be tough on China. No one holds more contempt for China than Trump and he seems very happy with Romney. That alone says quite a bit.

Romney said more about dealing with China in 3 seconds last night than Obama has in 3 debates...

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I bet you don`t know how many factorys Mitt owns in China......


Mitt`ll be tough on China alright.....surrrre...[8|]


Got bad news about that bridge you bought in Brooklyn....


Pah-leeezzz......keep your cool-aid to yourselves....






At least I have a bridge.... Obama's letting the Terrorists and Creditors take control of yours.
[:D]



bin-laden is dead........General Motors in alive (and doing quite well)




xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:04:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

And please get the fucking idiot a map...Get to the sea from iran through syria? Thats the level of intelligence that we'd have as president?


I'm not sure about this, but I'd be willing to bet that Romney was referring to the weapons and supplies that Iran funnels to terrorists through Syria. But you SP's have your opening on a gaffe, I'd be shocked if you didn't run with it.




DomYngBlk -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:07:37 PM)

Wow..Bull, man. You have traveled over to ga-ga land. No more safe today? Then you will always be hiding out looking for the boogey man.

so what is it that Obama was supposed to do to make you feel all good about our Consulate being overrun in Libya? What would make it all better? He's investigating obviously, He's changed the manning around the other embassies, he's taken responsibility for 4 of our countrymen being murdered, he has vowed to get who did it(I don't have to remind you how much of Al Queda he has killed. This attack being retaliation for one of those hits). So anything else that he's missed?




Owner59 -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:08:36 PM)

[image]http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/romney-not-ready.jpg[/image]



Looks like Iran can ship anywhere it wants with or without Assad`s help.

How much money we bet`n here.......?




xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:08:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

bin-laden is dead........General Motors in alive (and doing quite well)


Yes, the CIA and 6 did a great job getting him.

As for GM, they appear to look good for now. But the union greed that killed them is still there so how long before they need another bailout?




DomYngBlk -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:11:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

And please get the fucking idiot a map...Get to the sea from iran through syria? Thats the level of intelligence that we'd have as president?


I'm not sure about this, but I'd be willing to bet that Romney was referring to the weapons and supplies that Iran funnels to terrorists through Syria. But you SP's have your opening on a gaffe, I'd be shocked if you didn't run with it.


Come on.....you know you don't believe that. It shows someone that isn't interested in foreign policy. Or even a good idea about the world.




xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:13:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

[image]http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/romney-not-ready.jpg[/image]



Looks like Iran can ship anywhere it wants with or without Assad`s help.

How much money we bet`n here.......?


Well judging by where you're taking this comment, it's very obvious that Romney was right about our Navy needing more ships then to stop this exporting of terrorism from Iran through their own ports. Who's side are you on again?




xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:37:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Wow..Bull, man. You have traveled over to ga-ga land. No more safe today? Then you will always be hiding out looking for the boogey man.


I do believe I said there is no less threat of terorism. The homeland does appear to me safer, but as I mentioned that is due to the agencies and not the politicians, unless you want to give credit to "W" for refunding Langley after Clinton cut them to pieces.

Concurrently, I don't hide from any "boogeyman", I enjoy the hunt.

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so what is it that Obama was supposed to do to make you feel all good about our Consulate being overrun in Libya? What would make it all better? He's investigating obviously, He's changed the manning around the other embassies, he's taken responsibility for 4 of our countrymen being murdered, he has vowed to get who did it(I don't have to remind you how much of Al Queda he has killed. This attack being retaliation for one of those hits). So anything else that he's missed?


With regards to the Libyan issue there's very little he's doing now that bothers me, he finally shut up. I don't know all the details and frankly unlike a lot of these other folks wanting details so they can make political hodge-podge with it, I prefer he hold his lips tight to not compromise mission security, just like he should have done when he was trying to blame that fuckin' video. That's it, I'm an old warrior, I think he should respect my brothers right to survive...............Mission Security...........Mission Security, not just when it's politically convenient, but always.

Other than that, he apparently missed the message from the ambassador that he needed help and was in danger. But that's hindsight; I'll wait for proper investigations now.




xBullx -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:42:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Come on.....you know you don't believe that. It shows someone that isn't interested in foreign policy. Or even a good idea about the world.



You know, you're right. I do want to hear from Romney what he meant in this comment.... I was merely speculating and I wasn't excusing him it would be nice to know what he was thinking.




subspaceseven -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 12:45:56 PM)

Since you think the fact checkers will find the President telling more lies...lets see what willard has to say...

“And what I’m afraid of is we’ve watched over the past year or so [in Syria], first the president saying, well we’ll let the U.N. deal with it…. Then it went to the Russians and said, let’s see if you can do something.” While Russia and China have vetoed multiple resolutions at the U.N. Security Council on Syria, the United States has also been working through the Friends of Syria group and other allies in the region. Obama’s approach “would essentially give U.S. nods of approval to arms transfers from Arab nations to some Syrian opposition fighters.”

“[W]hen — when the students took to the streets in Tehran and the people there protested, the Green Revolution occurred, for the president to be silent I thought was an enormous mistake.” Obama spoke out about the Revolution on June 15, 2009, just two days after post-election demonstrations began in Iran, condemning the Iranian government’s hard-handed crackdown on Iranian activists. He then reiterated his comments a day later in another press conference. Iranian activists have agreed with Obama’s approach.

“[W]e’re going to have to have training programs that work for our workers.” Paul Ryan’s budget, which Romney has fully endorsed, calls for spending 33 percent less on “Education, training, employment, and social services” than Obama’s budget.

“Well, Republicans and Democrats came together on a bipartisan basis to put in place education principles that focused on having great teachers in the classroom.” Education experts have faint praise for his proposals while he was governor. “His impact was inconsequential,” said Glen Koocher, executive director of the Massachusetts Association of School Committees. “People viewed his proposals as political talking points, and no one took Romney seriously.”

“So I’d get rid of [Obamacare] from day one. To the extent humanly possible, we get that out.” Romney cannot unilaterally eliminate a bill passed by Congress and his plan to grant states waivers may also be a non-starter.


“And then the president began what I have called an apology tour, of going to various nations in the Middle East and criticizing America. I think they looked at that and saw weakness.” Obama never embarked on an “apology tour.”


“And I think that when the president said he was going to create daylight between ourselves and Israel, that they noticed that as well.” They haven’t noticed because it’s not true. Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Ehud Barak told CNN, “President Obama is doing . . . more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].” “When I look at the record of President Obama concerning the major issues, security, I think it’s a highly satisfactory record, from an Israeli point of view,” said Israeli President Shimon Peres.


“My plan to get the [auto] industry on its feet when it was in real trouble was not to start writing checks. It was President Bush that wrote the first checks. I disagree with that. I said they need — these [auto] companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy.” Romney’s plan for the auto bailout would have ensured the collapse of the auto industry. In his editorial titled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt,” Romney advocated for letting the private sector finance the bankruptcy of General Motors and Chrysler. Auto insiders, however, have said that plan was “reckless” and “pure fantasy.”


Well you get my point, I could on




FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 1:04:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toysinbabeland

Obama will take yours and give it away in reparations if he can get ahold of it


Since the only legitimate reference to "reparations" would in fact be reparations being paid to two countries we decimated (regardless of how any of us felt, and whether anyone is intelligent and morally responsible enough to GET IT, there is a long standing protocol among the industrialized nations that post-war reparations are made by the victor. There have of course been barbaric examples where this has not happened, but even the former Soviet Union was paying SOME reparations to Afghanistan after they withdrew).
  You should do a little fact checking and at least understand "reparations" beyond it being this imaginary injustice to "you" or to the "tax payers".
   If you did, you would understand that historically, post-war reparations are perhaps the wisest investment any country can make after defeating an enemy. In history, what it has accomplished is to render the defeated country an ally.
Which:
1- Is cheaper than having to conduct and ongoing cold war with a foe.

2 - Is cheaper than watching the foe fester their hatred in vacuum, until they eventually come back at you again. And at an exponentially higher cost. War never gets cheaper.

3 - They also usually end up a partner. Economically, diplomatically and militarily.

And I know you're getting a "blame this on Obama" erection with a "line" like that (magnifying glasses are cheap now that they are plastic), but perhaps you should embrace f actuality on that aspect as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Actual "reparation" politics are depicted in the following articles:

 
 
I hope that helps[:-]




DomKen -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 3:18:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xBullx
However Obama didn't want to call this a terrorist attack, and that is obvious.

Obvious to who? The President called it an 'act of terror' the very next day, in as near as I can find his first public remarks on it.




DomKen -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 3:21:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xBullx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

bin-laden is dead........General Motors in alive (and doing quite well)


Yes, the CIA and 6 did a great job getting him.

As for GM, they appear to look good for now. But the union greed that killed them is still there so how long before they need another bailout?

The unions had nothing to do with GM's problems. GM refused to fund their pension and retiree medical plans each year as they should have. So inevitably when their work force began to retire in large numbers they found themselves in financial trouble that coupled with teh implosion of credit in 2008 is what almost did them in.




DesideriScuri -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 3:41:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: Toysinbabeland
Clinton allowed that mass murderer to hide.

In 4.6 Billion years (give or take 6 months), the sun will cool down to the point that life on earth will be impossible.
The Republicans will blame Clinton.


And, the Democrats will argue it was Bush 43's fault.




ElizabethAnne -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 5:12:29 PM)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/obama-comdemns-riots-in-libya-praises-ambassador/1#.UIcwNG_A_zk

This from USA today from 9/12 - I don't see the word terror in his initial response. Mention is made by Hilary about the video.




Lucylastic -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 5:36:06 PM)

oh for gods sake
try watching the FULL video...not one that is only under two minutes out of almost six
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc#!
if you cant stand the truth, go past 4.19
the transcript says
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.





TheHeretic -> RE: About last night, for what it's worth. (10/23/2012 5:39:07 PM)

FR

Bull, you've given us a perfect example of how the debate went last night. Reasonable, intelligent discussion of the issues, met with petty playground personal attacks and snarks.




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