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BlackBikeDom -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 10:49:45 AM)

open attacks = argumentative (from OP) and belligerent (I added)

I said:
Voicing an opinion is one thing, being argumentative and belligerent is another.
(2 separate groups) opinions and attacks

Don't be petty, quote the whole thing to keep context
I said:
Still , I see a difference between being playfull and bratty and all open attacks.
2 groups again, playful and bratty AND all open attacks.

I said :
all open attacks
explained that already

dunno , but to me it seems you're grasping here.




OsideGirl -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 10:55:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

open attacks = argumentative (from OP) and belligerent (I added)


The OP never said that she openly attacked the Dominant in question and I don't view being argumentative as the same thing as openly attacking. Arguing a point is not an attack.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 10:58:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

I'm new here (but not to BDSM)
And I notice that some "submissives" do not appear to be submissives but something else, maybe just a kink ,freak ,masso even maybe switches.
Voicing an opinion is one thing, being argumentative and belligerent is another.

Interesting



This literally has nothing to do with anything. Congrats on committing one of the most popular internet faux-pas.
Assuming that people who take submissive roles IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS will be submissive to random internet Doms or any random person on the street.

SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life. Others do not, but they still function as a submissive partner (say it with me, now) IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

You're not the first self-proclaimed Dom who thinks he knows something about how "twue" submissives behave. Be content to apply whatever standards you like to YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, but pleeeeease don't be so daft as to assume that every person on earth must follow your standards in THEIR relationships.




OsideGirl -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:00:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


This literally has nothing to do with anything. Congrats on committing one of the most popular internet faux-pas.
Assuming that people who take submissive roles IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS will be submissive to random internet Doms or any random person on the street.

SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life. Others do not, but they still function as a submissive partner (say it with me, now) IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

You're not the first self-proclaimed Dom who thinks he knows something about how "twue" submissives behave. Be content to apply whatever standards you like to YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, but pleeeeease don't be so daft as to assume that every person on earth must follow your standards in THEIR relationships.



Nail on the head, Lilly.




BlackBikeDom -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:07:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

The OP never said that she openly attacked the Dominant in question and I don't view being argumentative as the same thing as openly attacking. Arguing a point is not an attack.



I never said the OP said she openly attacked.

I grouped those two together. Because to me, within the M/s context, it is. They are obviously still pushing boundaries, and working on trust ...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'll say it again:

I think it is strange within the context of a M/s relation to be argumentative.
And Then it is valid for the op to wonder about this.
(even within the context of a D/s but that's not mainstream, that's just me)

So, you might disagree with what I say, but there was a character attack on backtracking. And even if you disagree, where is the backtracking.




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:08:11 AM)

STILL wondering WTF (in the context of the OP) an 'open attack' is......




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:16:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

So, you might disagree with what I say, but there was a character attack on backtracking. And even if you disagree, where is the backtracking.



The disregard for the definitions/synonyms for the words YOU originally used vs the words the OP used.


as I pointed out in my previous post.

quoted again for your reading pleasure (or not, because, yanno, you make yourself look more like a ONE TWUE WAY ass with each post...)

PREVIOUS STUFF:

quote:

repeating my previous post, since you obviously missed it...
quote:



wilful, bratty

...does NOT equal:

quote:

argumentative and belligerent in my thesaurus.

Willful:
Main Entry:


willful  [wil-fuhl] Show IPA



Part of Speech:

adjective



Definition:

stubborn, obstinate



Synonyms:

adamant, bullheaded, contumacious, determined, dogged, fractious, froward, headstrong, inflexible, intractable, intransigent, mulish, obdurate, persistent, pertinacious, perverse, pigheaded, refractory, resolved, self-willed, stiff-necked, uncompromising, unyielding


Brat (no listing for bratty):
Main Entry:


brat  [brat] Show IPA



Part of Speech:

noun



Definition:

spoiled child



Synonyms:

devil*, enfant terrible, holy terror, impudent child, jackanapes, kid, punk*, rascal, unruly child, urchin, whippersnapper, wild one, youngster



SO please do explain how belligerent and argumentative from your first response suddenly becomes quote:

playfull and bratty and all open attacks. in the next response (which ignored my prior one re: thesaurus). Also, please do explain what quote:

and all open attacks.


means?

(I am not going back to correct the quoting thing, because, hey, it's all there in previous posts...)

edited for at least one minor letter insertion...




BlackBikeDom -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:17:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

I'm new here (but not to BDSM)
And I notice that some "submissives" do not appear to be submissives but something else, maybe just a kink ,freak ,masso even maybe switches.
Voicing an opinion is one thing, being argumentative and belligerent is another.

Interesting



This literally has nothing to do with anything. Congrats on committing one of the most popular internet faux-pas.
Assuming that people who take submissive roles IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS will be submissive to random internet Doms or any random person on the street.

SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life. Others do not, but they still function as a submissive partner (say it with me, now) IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

You're not the first self-proclaimed Dom who thinks he knows something about how "twue" submissives behave. Be content to apply whatever standards you like to YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, but pleeeeease don't be so daft as to assume that every person on earth must follow your standards in THEIR relationships.



Aah, now we're talking substance.

I do see your point.

Never said a submissive should be submissive to everyone.

"SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life" I would consider a lifestyle submissive and others not, just posting my perspective.

And yes, my standards are my standards, and my posts will reflect my "standards"
Just like yours reflect yours.





sexyred1 -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:19:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

I'm new here (but not to BDSM)
And I notice that some "submissives" do not appear to be submissives but something else, maybe just a kink ,freak ,masso even maybe switches.
Voicing an opinion is one thing, being argumentative and belligerent is another.

Interesting



This literally has nothing to do with anything. Congrats on committing one of the most popular internet faux-pas.
Assuming that people who take submissive roles IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS will be submissive to random internet Doms or any random person on the street.

SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life. Others do not, but they still function as a submissive partner (say it with me, now) IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

You're not the first self-proclaimed Dom who thinks he knows something about how "twue" submissives behave. Be content to apply whatever standards you like to YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, but pleeeeease don't be so daft as to assume that every person on earth must follow your standards in THEIR relationships.



Thanks for saving me typing, Lilly.




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:20:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

I'm new here (but not to BDSM)
And I notice that some "submissives" do not appear to be submissives but something else, maybe just a kink ,freak ,masso even maybe switches.
Voicing an opinion is one thing, being argumentative and belligerent is another.

Interesting



This literally has nothing to do with anything. Congrats on committing one of the most popular internet faux-pas.
Assuming that people who take submissive roles IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS will be submissive to random internet Doms or any random person on the street.

SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life. Others do not, but they still function as a submissive partner (say it with me, now) IN THEIR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

You're not the first self-proclaimed Dom who thinks he knows something about how "twue" submissives behave. Be content to apply whatever standards you like to YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, but pleeeeease don't be so daft as to assume that every person on earth must follow your standards in THEIR relationships.



Aah, now we're talking substance.

I do see your point.

Never said a submissive should be submissive to everyone.

"SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life" I would consider a lifestyle submissive and others not, just posting my perspective.

And yes, my standards are my standards, and my posts will reflect my "standards"
Just like yours reflect yours.





well, skippy, perhaps you should have made that clear in your initial post. just sayin'.




OsideGirl -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:21:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom

I think it is strange within the context of a M/s relation to be argumentative.
(even within the context of a D/s but that's not mainstream, that's just me)


The relationship is extremely new, just a couple of weeks old. Being a submissive/slave is learned behavior. You don't just throw a switch and BAM, it all works exactly like it should. It's an evolution that takes effort, trust building and time.

The expectation that there isn't a learning curve is unrealistic and it does a disservice to people who are new when people perpetuate the myth that it all happens instantaneously.




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:22:49 AM)

I *heart* Oside, yet again :)




LaTigresse -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:28:40 AM)

Well.........my work here is done.

What the lovely ladies above me have all written!




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:35:00 AM)

*sending scritchies and such to the furrykids*




BlackBikeDom -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:35:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
well, skippy, perhaps you should have made that clear in your initial post. just sayin'.


Mmmmwa.... now I know more about the tone and more about you all, and you all know more about me.

I don't really care much about being "tone correct'(not to start up anything again) , but I do worry about being who I am in my posts (the trust issue, you can always trust me to be me)

Ok, gotta go, you guys have fun,.




GreedyTop -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 11:37:42 AM)

you're leaving!!??. Awesome!   The fun can now begin!!  (one twue waywers are always a bummer....)




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 12:09:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackBikeDom


Aah, now we're talking substance.

I do see your point.

Never said a submissive should be submissive to everyone.

"SOME people have submissive personalities that leak out into their every day life" I would consider a lifestyle submissive and others not, just posting my perspective.

And yes, my standards are my standards, and my posts will reflect my "standards"
Just like yours reflect yours.




Which is completely fine. But you don't have any business popping into a forum where you barely know anyone, and chastising people for being "argumentative and belligerent." You aren't some all-powerful, all knowing UberDom who can tell whether someone is "twue" or "just a kinkster," which your original petulant little post implies. You just aren't that important, mmkay?

Feel free to apply your standards to your life. Feel free to post from your perspective but remember -- WE ALL DO. And we all have different perspectives. Different ideas on what submissive and dominant mean. Different ideas on how we express that in our day to day lives. Keep your perspectives, but you do not get to stomp on, dismiss, or otherwise insult others.






OsideGirl -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 12:24:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep


Which is completely fine. But you don't have any business popping into a forum where you barely know anyone, and chastising people for being "argumentative and belligerent." You aren't some all-powerful, all knowing UberDom who can tell whether someone is "twue" or "just a kinkster," which your original petulant little post implies. You just aren't that important, mmkay?


Another great post.




JeffBC -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 12:32:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
That's a good point too, Michael. If someone has had a lot of submissives/slaves, it's usually not a good thing. It usually means that they go through them like underwear and/or are incapable of having a long term relationship.

I have always assumed that as soon as some d-type posts, "I've had dozens of slaves" then all the LTR slaves go looking elsewhere for just that reason. I pretty much assumed that what they'd have left is someone suited to them... namely a temporary sexual slave. It never once occurred to me to think that numbers was a GOOD thing for anyone seeking permanent ownership.




BlackBikeDom -> RE: Can a Master be satisfied with a submissive? (11/8/2012 12:37:43 PM)


The amount of posts devoted to my insignificant(in my opinion) post.

I hope I don't say anything controversial or against the "true way".

naahhh






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