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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Anyone who really thinks this is the first study on vaccines/autism isn't competent to discuss any medical issue. Or is severely allergic to using the internet for research. Current research has identified several gene markers of inherited tendencies to autism, several others of parental 'lifestyle' associated genetic damage that are associated with descendant's autism and some interesting biochemical changes in autism spectrum disorders that may offer both better diagnostics and deeper understanding of autism spectrum etiology.
'Vaccine related autism' has been removed as a correlated cause about as conclusively as our research capabilities allow. Autism is not down in vaccine use where thimerosal has been discontinued or in control groups that are vaccine free. Discussions and research continue as to whether the rates of autism spectrum disorder are real events or aftifacts of the diagnositic popularity of 'autism' to explain more and more unusual behaviors.
What is clear is that the current and growing rates of autism still affects far less children than the diseases the vaccines prevent. Few here have relatives old enough to remember how many peers were killed, maimed or brain damaged by the various childhood diseases unfamiliar to first world parents. Some of these diseases are returning due to the anti-vaccine campaigns largely led by guilt ridden parents desperate to find an external cause of the problems their children suffer. The pioneers well understood what is now heresy to many 'citizens' of our entitled culture: "Sometimes shit just happens." At least with modern pediatric vaccines, many of the understood causes of 'shit happening' can be prevented. Got polio? Keep not vaccinating the kids and your grandchildren will. Every class of primary school I went to had kids on crutches and others who didn't make it. Then we were given the Salk and Sabin vaccines and we stopped seeing more kids crippled. Polio is almost eradicated from the planet. Many more parents who don't understand basic biology and we may see it everywhere again. Measles produced far more brain damaged kids directly or in mothers who lost or had damaged babies than current autism rates. That's returning as people drink the anti-vaccination koolaid. The list is longer, educated people know the score, I'm hungry and need dinner. The data is there for anyone who wants to read.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If the lad's having trouble digesting food, that's something a lot worse than autism, surely?
(And for whatever it's worth, I'm very sorry to hear that he's that messed up.)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad


Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made.

I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy.

His "symptoms" skyrocket when he eats the wrong foods. That's enough for my sister to go on, to continue the restricted diet.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If the lad's having trouble digesting food, that's something a lot worse than autism, surely?
(And for whatever it's worth, I'm very sorry to hear that he's that messed up.)

Yes...you are correct, but MANY kiddos that are affected suffer from GI issues as well. My kiddo was fine beforehand.

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Was there no autism before the use of vaccines? Anyone?

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Do your autistic children have any other medical symptoms, either chronic or recurring?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though?
Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though?
Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though?
Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified.

Would you stop bringing logic into this, you are speaking to Americans for gods sake. Ask them to explain causation and correlation and more often than not, you will get blank stares. If autism has an onset at about the time vaccines are given...

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ORIGINAL: kitkat105

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Ugh.. anti vaccine propaganda is made to make parents feel even more insecure about one of the hardest jobs they will ever do (raising children).

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/research/scientists-link-rare-gene-mutations-to-heightened-risk-of-autism.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Prior to the 1970's, there was no such diagnosis of Autism. Why? It hadn't been developed. People exhibiting the behaviours associated with (what we now know are) autism spectrum disorders were frequently institutionalised on the grounds of 'psychiatric illness not otherwise specified.' There is strong research out there that suggests that autism spectrum disorders have a strong genetic or familial link.

The reason why so many 2-3 year old children get diagnosed with autism now is simple. Medical care for children, especially in the western world is very well developed. We have pediatricians; primary care physicians; child & maternal health nurses; childcare workers; pre school teachers... all of these people are trained to observe for children who are NOT meeting their milestones and if they aren't, refer them to be evaluated, diagnosed and interventions implemented.

The risks of not vaccinating are very high. A few examples:
Mumps: encephalitis, oophoritis, mastitis, meningitis, hearing loss, infertility.
Rubella: otitis media, arthritis, congenital rubella syndrome for women not immune
Measles: encephalitis; pneumonia, ear infections, blindness
Polio: permanent disability, malformation of the joints; acute respiratory failure; osteoporosis; dysphagia

If I were to have children, I would definitely vaccinate. Why? Because I wouldn't want my children to get sick or potentially die from complications.

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: Aswad


Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made.

I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy.

His "symptoms" skyrocket when he eats the wrong foods. That's enough for my sister to go on, to continue the restricted diet.