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ORIGINAL: culareD

As a mother of TWO with autism, I have some serious issues with vaccines...

My third child was developing normally (talking, walking, sleeping, eating well etc...) until he received his vaccines at 15 months. He ended up in the hospital with an "unexplainable fever of 104" after he received these. By the time he reached 18 months he quit talking and replaced it with screaming, and started lining things up. He toe-walked, spun himself around endlessly, and he became afraid of noises. He quit looking at the camera for a pic, became extremely picky with food, and he quit sleeping at night. He was officially diagnosed at age 2y2m.

Needless to say our world changed. I wish I could say it has been for the better, but in his case not so. He is very sick physically, dealing with PANDAS, inability to take in nutrients from food, extreme anxiety and so much more. I am a scrap booker, and the pictorial evidence over time is astounding.

After he was diagnosed, I dove into research because I wanted to "fix" him. I went to endless conferences dealing with the behavioral and the biomedical side, joined many list serves, and I even helped co-facilitate a parent group for families going through this. I researched all of the vaccines my child had received. There was PLENTY of offending agents in each of the vaccines he got, but the biggest offender was the MMR. I stopped the vaccines in my other child who I KNOW would have been much worse off had I continued.

I could go on and on...instead I will just agree that I am glad that the research continues. The stats are overwhelming... 1 in 88! There has got to be an answer quick, fast, and in a hurry!

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
PANDAS, if it exists, is the result of a streptocooccus infection. Strep is a bacteria and is not the subject of a vaccine.

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ORIGINAL: kitkat105

culareD - I interpret the first link in saying that autism was used to describe the behaviours between 1940s-1960s.. but there certainly wasn't a set in stone diagnosis like there was till the 1980s. Not a universally accepted one, anyway.

While it may seem that vaccinations occur at the time of developing symptoms, there are many genetic diseases that have a delayed onset of when symptoms occur. These babies seem perfectly healthy when they are born but develop symptoms after a certain time period. Eg. Tay Sachs, PKU, Cystic fibrosis, Muscular dystrophy, etc. Heck, we can even extend this into adulthood - autoimmune diseases like SLE, cancers, arthritis, alzheimers, etc. Delayed onset for genetic illness is common - recessive is forever but if you have the gene to something, you are a ticking timebomb.

The only difference between them and ASD is that they never had the stigma of it being a 'psychiatric' illness - only a medical. Medical illnesses have traditionally always had much more research into them... I honestly believe that parents of children with autism should be supporting further research and destigmatization, instead of just placing blame (and I do not mean this to sound insensitive because that is not my aim).

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ORIGINAL: culareD

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ORIGINAL: kitkat105

culareD - I interpret the first link in saying that autism was used to describe the behaviours between 1940s-1960s.. but there certainly wasn't a set in stone diagnosis like there was till the 1980s. Not a universally accepted one, anyway.

While it may seem that vaccinations occur at the time of developing symptoms, there are many genetic diseases that have a delayed onset of when symptoms occur. These babies seem perfectly healthy when they are born but develop symptoms after a certain time period. Eg. Tay Sachs, PKU, Cystic fibrosis, Muscular dystrophy, etc. Heck, we can even extend this into adulthood - autoimmune diseases like SLE, cancers, arthritis, alzheimers, etc. Delayed onset for genetic illness is common - recessive is forever but if you have the gene to something, you are a ticking timebomb.

The only difference between them and ASD is that they never had the stigma of it being a 'psychiatric' illness - only a medical. Medical illnesses have traditionally always had much more research into them... I honestly believe that parents of children with autism should be supporting further research and destigmatization, instead of just placing blame (and I do not mean this to sound insensitive because that is not my aim).

Kit ~ I agree on genetics, I really do...and I admit I probably come off as lacking objectivity. What I know for sure is that I had a normal and happy child, who now is not. And, I know of so many others that have the same story. SOMETHING happened to my baby the day he got his basketful of shots.

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I could go on and on...instead I will just agree that I am glad that the research continues. The stats are overwhelming... 1 in 88! There has got to be an answer quick, fast, and in a hurry!

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Kit ~ I agree on genetics, I really do...and I admit I probably come off as lacking objectivity. What I know for sure is that I had a normal and happy child, who now is not. And, I know of so many others that have the same story. SOMETHING happened to my baby the day he got his basketful of shots.


Believe, I understand as much as I possibly could. I have cared for numerous children with ASD and other developmental problems that don't even have a name. Vaccinations, might be a environmental trigger in a laundry list of problems. But it cannot be the sole cause, otherwise every person vaccinated should have autism.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
PANDAS, if it exists, is the result of a streptocooccus infection. Strep is a bacteria and is not the subject of a vaccine.

But an immune response against a bacterial epitope may hypothetically cause an auto-immune response against a similar self-epitope, conceivably resulting in the destruction of specific essential nerve cells.

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U
Is it possible that individual vaccines (as has been shown) unto themselves are safe? BUT when clustered together the combination of inert ingredients gets a different result. Vinegar/ baking soda fizzy volcano verses 3rd ingredient BANG!

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ORIGINAL: Marini
There is a large/growing number of people that feel vaccinations are not the SOLE cause, but there could be some sort of link/casual connection/trigger, along with other environmental factors/triggers/ variables.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
PANDAS, if it exists, is the result of a streptocooccus infection. Strep is a bacteria and is not the subject of a vaccine.

But an immune response against a bacterial epitope may hypothetically cause an auto-immune response against a similar self-epitope, conceivably resulting in the destruction of specific essential nerve cells.

The immune response to virus is diffferent than the immune response to bacteria

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
all the vaccines accused of causing autism are vaccines against virus.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U
Is it possible that individual vaccines (as has been shown) unto themselves are safe? BUT when clustered together the combination of inert ingredients gets a different result. Vinegar/ baking soda fizzy volcano verses 3rd ingredient BANG!

Hypothetically, yes. It is something that I myself considered. However, though I have an interest in the probable causes of autism, and now and again think about the matter, it is not something that I have investigated in great depth (or if I did, I have forgotten the particulars).

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

Had well thought out response that my f'ing blackberry erased so I will summerize as this:

Is it possible that individual vaccines (as has been shown) unto themselves are safe? BUT when clustered together the combination of inert ingredients gets a different result. Vinegar/ baking soda fizzy volcano verses 3rd ingredient BANG!

As someone with the dietary issues of autism I find it very curious that "all americans got the shots" but 1% of population has food allergies also associated with improving autism which has been quoted as a higher percentage. Why A issue but not full blown B is what I find curious.

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ORIGINAL: culareD

? which research?

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U
Asa longer version went into...my family clustered vaccines in first children of 3 generations by 6 different parents resulted in 1 labeled musical & math savant, 1 "functional institutional retardation" which also looks like age retarded but functionally progressed autism, 3 with celiac/food type symptoms helped by "the autism diet".. Thos later siblings that had no more than 2 vaccines at a time are symptom free, those with 3 or more (7 in savant) have symptoms. So hummmm wonder why?

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

Finally, someone does a study!

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-symptoms-after-obtaining-doses-of-popular-vaccines/

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18 controlled epidemiological studies have investigated the possible connection between autism and vaccines, and "they have all come back showing the same thing," says Alison Singer, founder and president of the Autism Science Foundation, and a mother of a 13-year-old with autism. "There is no link between vaccines and autism."