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naughtynick81 -> Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:34:37 PM)

Why is it that when a male complains about DV in support of men, it all the sudden becomes his responsibility to fix it all but when a woman does in support of women, such a thing is never asked?

Why are ONLY men asked this question? Why not women? Why not feminists? Can you see the sexism here? Can you see the bias?

This is just used in attempt to silence any man speaking the truth that certain people can't handle.

How is the average powerless man supposed to do anything? What power do I have? What money do I have?

It's ridiculous to sit here and tell the average powerless male to do something when he has no power or control whatsoever to make any change to begin with.

What do you expect me to do? Start dancing around Julia Gillard's door step and tell her she better start giving me tax dollars to build a shelter? Seriously, what are you people thinking?

Do I have control over the Australian government? Do you think me waving my hands in the air on the street telling them to give me money for a shelter is going to work?

Are people truly so simplistic that they think I can just so easily get all this funding and the resources to start supporting men?

If you aren't a simplistic minded person, maybe you can see how seriously complex the situation is.

This is the job of the government to do something about it, not the job of the average powerless Tom, Dick or Harry that just simply complains in a discussion.

What is it? You think a male isn't entitled to this speech, therefore you are looking for ways to silence the speech?

Stop trying to censor the freedom of speech that feminists are so freely allowed to have!

It's a pity that the other thread got shut down but I understand it was for a good cause so I respect the mods decision. Some people just can't handle certain opinions therefore their anger drives them to personally attack. Most of the time, it's usually because they are angry at not being able to refute the opinion that's making them pissy so they use personal attacks as a diversion tactic to veer the focus away from the opinion they can't handle.



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:42:23 PM)

Are you a victim?



Moonhead -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:48:24 PM)

If he's not, I have no idea what he's complaining about.
[;)]



MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:51:20 PM)

1) No one is saying that men who are advocating for awareness of male domestic violence victims have to do it all. What we are saying is that instead of simply posting about "double standards," maybe you should actually DO something. Things like trying to get an advocacy group together, or join one of the existing groups.

2) You haven't proven your claim that it is "the government's job" to solve the problem. And, even if it IS the government's job (I would argue that it isn't, but I digress), are you really saying that the average Australian citizen has NO power to petition the government, to create special interest groups, to build a coalition, to start a non-profit, or to do anything? If so, you may want to move to a freer nation.

3) NO ONE is censoring your freedom of speech. You used your freedom of speech to decry that there are double standards. Others used their freedom to tell you that you are full of it, or to call you out on your inaction to solve the problem you seem to think exists. No censoring there. Just one person using their freedom to respond to another person using their freedom. Gee, ain't freedom of speech grand?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:51:57 PM)

quote:

Are you a victim?


Well technically I am. I got slapped in my last relationship (it had nothing to do with BDSM). But this is no biggy. This is not the reason why I simply expose what's happening in society. I find it funny how some people think a male just simply hasn;t got the right to use the same freedom of speech that feminists are so entitled to use at any place and any time.



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:53:01 PM)

I can see a valid complaint about the inconsistencies he may see... yet overlooking much information.

I asked because, if it were a woman, she would have already said if she was or not. A man rarely does.

If he is, he has my sympathies and I would suggest treatment, as I would any woman.

If not, then I would ask when was the last time he did anything about the issue.

I have. I have protested, signed and worked petitions, held the hands of women in hospitals and shelters, volunteered at shetlers for the holidays, opened my home to abuse victims - amazingly enough, not just women .

So my question is rather valid. With no snark. But, unlike he insisits. I would still ask a woman... what are you doing about it?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:53:07 PM)

MstSebastian

The question keeps getting avoided. Why aren't feminists/women asked to do something about it when they complain?



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:54:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

quote:

Are you a victim?


Well technically I am. I got slapped in my last relationship (it had nothing to do with BDSM). But this is no biggy. This is not the reason why I simply expose what's happening in society. I find it funny how some people think a male just simply hasn;t got the right to use the same freedom of speech that feminists are so entitled to use at any place and any time.


Why were you slapped?



MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:55:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

MstSebastian

The question keeps getting avoided. Why aren't feminists/women asked to do something about it when they complain?

Because, they already have. There are organizations, non-profits, shelters, special interest groups, coalitions, and the like all over the place (US and Australia as well, I would assume) that help women who are victims. So, why should women be asked to do something when they already have?

Now, if you think that there should be similar groups for men, then I agree! However, if you think so, why don't you check in to starting an organization or supporting an existing organization instead of just moaning on an internet forum?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:57:55 PM)

Feminists/women complain about

Pay gap
Glass ceilings
Rape
DV

I have never once seen a person question and tell a feminist/woman "what are they doing about it", when they raise such discussions.

If this standard applies to a male in regards of male issues, I guess that means a feminist/woman is NEVER EVER allowed to complain about pay gap, glass ceilings, rape, and DV again. They are BANNED from mentioning such issues unless they can prove that they are doing something about it.

Fair?

That's equality



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 12:59:58 PM)

Pay gap and glass ceilings? Ok.. lets move on.

Rape and domestic violence are crimes. I always ask what they are doing about it. Empowerment is a great thing.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:02:04 PM)

quote:

they already have


They? All women? most women?

ROFL

I think you really mean a small minority of the whole female population and OH, yes OH, not to mention, would have women gotten this far without men? Yes, the powerful men who helped made these changes throughout history for women?

So men are expected to help women with women issues but women aren't expected to help with men's issues? Can you see a one way street here?

Can anyone hold a straight face and tell me that feminism would have gotten this far today without men? But as it seems, feminism expects men to help feminism while feminism doesn't want to help men

Wow how self serving can it get.



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:07:02 PM)

I asked why were you slapped.



absolutchocolat -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:11:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I asked why were you slapped.


i'm pretty sure the answer will be along the lines of "she's a bitch", "she's bitter", "she's crazy" without him admitting culpability in any way. just an educated guess. [;)]



tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:12:56 PM)

True. I do have a reason for asking though. Once he gives a reason, I will post mine. [;)]



MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:13:48 PM)

Do you really want me to hold your hand like a child, walk you step-by-step through the centuries of women's oppression, misogynistic laws and regulations, sexism, and condoned violence that necessitated men helping women reach the equality they should have had all along? Do I really need to explain to you how stupid it sounds to think that women now owe something to men to help male victims?




naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:15:00 PM)

Tazzy, I got slapped because I dumped her. I went to a park with her and simply told her I want to break up. Not long after *slap*, and a damn hard one.



rhondare -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:16:30 PM)

That's not DV, that's closure.



DomKen -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:17:03 PM)

Women do help men with real issues. The stupid crap MRA's whine about are not real issues.

In today's world there is a single thing that is a legitimate discimination against men and that is the gender inequality in child custody case outcomes. And that is a carry over of the slowly dissolving patriarchal system where women raise the children while the men work.

I'll be so glad when the boys who do all this whining come to realize that feminists broke down the glass ceiling and all the rest of the barriers by working harder than men, for less pay usually. Imagine spending an entire lifetime campaigning for the vote as the 19th century suffragettes did.

Get back to me when married men aren't allowed to own real property or enter into contracts. Let me know when certain subordinate professions are considered exclusively for men in the manner in which teaching and nursing were once exclusively for women.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 1:19:18 PM)

quote:

Do I really need to explain to you how stupid it sounds to think that women now owe something to men to help male victims?


But men are expected to help feminism, right?

I'm not claiming women "owe" men. But just imagine all the sudden every male on the planet decided to total ignore feminism, have nothing to do with it, not support it.

What do you think would happen?



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