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naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:11:34 PM)
quote: get offered legitimate resources to help fight that issue lol yeah let's just create a random website, that's going to fix it all. Crickeys, I can't believe the laughable bullshit people are coming up with simply because they want to silence anyone making such threads about male issues. Male issues seems like a taboo topic for these people. But when a topic is about women's rights, I can bet my bottom dollar that they will be singing a whooole different tune. If this isn't female favoritism, what is?

JeffBC -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rhondare That's not DV, that's closure. Well, you are certainly free to apply what labels to it you will. But in the US it is "assault" (?and battery?) and if you did it to me you'd be in jail and owing me some money. The legal system tends to have it's own labels and they trump yours.

MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:19:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: get offered legitimate resources to help fight that issue lol yeah let's just create a random website, that's going to fix it all. Crickeys, I can't believe the laughable bullshit people are coming up with simply because they want to silence anyone making such threads about male issues. Male issues seems like a taboo topic for these people. But when a topic is about women's rights, I can bet my bottom dollar that they will be singing a whooole different tune. If this isn't female favoritism, what is? It isn't that male issues are taboo. (On that, you may have a point). What this is about is YOUR unwillingness to put words in to action. You've been offered a chance to start something to help men. But, you don't give a rat's ass about actually helping men. All you want to do is bitch that other people aren't helping men. You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. On a sidenote, if someone offered ME the chance to build a website to start the ball rolling on helping people who were affected by an issue I care about, I would jump at the chance. I would kiss the feet of someone who is so willing to dedicate their time and skill to help me spread the word about my issue, connect victims of my issue to support, and to educate about my issue. I wouldn't bitch about my issue being someone else's problem to fix. Problems are only fixed when concerned people do something to fight back. If you aren't willing to do that, then it shows me that your support of men who are victims of domestic violence only goes so far as your keyboard.

searching4mysir -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:27:39 PM)
FR FFS, become a lobbyist. Lucy said she would help with the website development. This book might help. http://www.amazon.com/Lobbying-Australia-Expect-Anything-Change/dp/187705836X

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:27:51 PM)
quote: You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. The irony! How stupid can one get to not see the double standard? I laugh and laugh. What are forums for? Forums are meant for discussions or rants right? So why aren't I entitled to make a rant about male issues? What am I doing that's not meant to be in a forum? I am making a discussion, I am making a rant. This is what forums are for, right? Don't tell me that you think I am entitled because you DON'T. You are only saying that to cover your arse from your idiocy. Why do I know this? because you wouldn't be here playing this childish game if you thought I was entitled to make threads about male issues. Again, where are you in other threads doing this? Why only in threads about male issues? Anyone can see your foolish inconsistency. Give it up, pal.

searching4mysir -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. The irony! How stupid can one get to not see the double standard? I laugh and laugh. What are forums for? Forums are meant for discussions or rants right? So why aren't I entitled to make a rant about male issues? What am I doing that's not meant to be in a forum? I am making a discussion, I am making a rant. This is what forums are for, right? Don't tell me that you think I am entitled because you DON'T. You are only saying that to cover your arse from your idiocy. Why do I know this? because you wouldn't be here playing this childish game if you thought I was entitled to make threads about male issues. Again, where are you in other threads doing this? Why only in threads about male issues? Anyone can see your foolish inconsistency. Give it up, pal. Dude, there is no double standard. When women complain that they are victims of DV, we suggest various ways to get help, including calling the police and filing assault charges as well as getting restraining orders. They are the same things that tazzy recommended (filing assault charges) for you. You want to be a victim, so be a fucking victim. None of us are buying what you are selling. Get over it. You aren't going to get a pity party here.

MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:33:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. The irony! How stupid can one get to not see the double standard? I laugh and laugh. What are forums for? Forums are meant for discussions or rants right? So why aren't I entitled to make a rant about male issues? What am I doing that's not meant to be in a forum? I am making a discussion, I am making a rant. This is what forums are for, right? Don't tell me that you think I am entitled because you DON'T. You are only saying that to cover your arse from your idiocy. Why do I know this? because you wouldn't be here playing this childish game if you thought I was entitled to make threads about male issues. Again, where are you in other threads doing this? Why only in threads about male issues? Anyone can see your foolish inconsistency. Give it up, pal. I have no "foolish inconsistency." If you can point out where I have made posts that are to the contrary, then by all means point it out. But, since I know you can't, you are just tilting at windmills. Here's the crux though. You DIDN'T start a thread about men's issues here. What you did, rather, was start a thread that was designed to insult people, insult women and feminists, and paint yourself a victim. If you want an honest discussion about why male victims of domestic violence are marginalized or ignored, then do so. But, do so with a modicum of intelligence. If you start your thread with "men are ignored because feminists are evil," like you did here, then all you are going to get is what you go here: People calling you on your hypocrisy, laziness, and bullshit.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:34:50 PM)
quote: When women complain that they are victims of DV, we suggest various ways to get help, including calling the police and filing assault charges as well as getting restraining orders. They are the same things that tazzy recommended (filing assault charges) against you. quote: You want to be a victim, so be a fucking victim. None of us are buying what you are selling. Get over it. Wow what a way to twist the whole point. There is a difference between me making a thread and ranting about being a victim of abuse than there is to make a thread about how bias organisations are against men in the DV industry.

searching4mysir -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: When women complain that they are victims of DV, we suggest various ways to get help, including calling the police and filing assault charges as well as getting restraining orders. They are the same things that tazzy recommended (filing assault charges) against you. quote: You want to be a victim, so be a fucking victim. None of us are buying what you are selling. Get over it. Wow what a way to twist the whole point. There is a difference between me making a thread and ranting about being a victim of abuse than there is to make a thread about how bias organisations are against men in the DV industry. I don't really believe the organizations are biased. The organizations have narrowly defined their missions. Whether or not men fall into that parameter isn't bias.

MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:37:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Wow what a way to twist the whole point. There is a difference between me making a thread and ranting about being a victim of abuse than there is to make a thread about how bias organisations are against men in the DV industry. Then DO that. Make a thread that claims, and which has evidence to support your assertion, that domestic violence advocates are biased against men. You haven't done that here, that's for sure. All you've done is bitch about women, about feminists, and about how you shouldn't be expected to do actually get off your ass and make a difference. If you actually DO make a thread to discuss the issue of male bias in domestic violence advocacy, I will be VERY happy to discuss the issue with you. Put up or shut up, pal.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:38:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: You are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. Forums are meant for discussions or rants right? Discussions, yes - all for it. Rant? NO! And to ridicule people because they aren't buying into your story? Definitely not!! [sm=hellno.gif] [sm=AttentionWhore.gif][sm=beatdeadhorse.gif][sm=danger.gif][sm=dontfeedtrolls.gif]

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:39:16 PM)
quote: Here's the crux though. You DIDN'T start a thread about men's issues here. What you did, rather, was start a thread that was designed to insult people, insult women and feminists, and paint yourself a victim. What's making you think this way is not the cause of me wanting to just insult women or feminists, it's the cause of your bias and prejudice against any male who raises these issues. Again, this proves my point that you really don't think men are entitled to voice their opinion about male issues. If you truly and really believe men were entitled, you wouldn't be here making these ridiculous posts.

theshytype -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:40:17 PM)
FR- I know whining when I hear it. And whining never gets anything done. The website was a great idea. And you squashed it. If you want your voice heard, you need to speak up and raise awareness. But no one listens to whining, and certainly will not take you seriously. Additionally, more victims need to come forward. If there are no victims, there is no crime. A website could bring more victims out to speak, even if anonymously. Politicians will only help if they believe it to be a large enough problem to add accomplishments to their belt come election time. What exactly are you looking for here? If you want something done, you can't expect someone to do all of the work for you. And nothing changes overnight. If a woman was posting a similar thread, and responded to posts as you have, I can guarantee she would get the same responses as you are. Most people on this thread are trying to be helpful. If you don't see someone's idea as being helpful, asking their views on possible benefits would be discussion. Laughing and calling them childish games is not a discussion...that's, well, childish.

MstSebastian -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: Here's the crux though. You DIDN'T start a thread about men's issues here. What you did, rather, was start a thread that was designed to insult people, insult women and feminists, and paint yourself a victim. What's making you think this way is not the cause of me wanting to just insult women or feminists, it's the cause of your bias and prejudice against any male who raises these issues. Again, this proves my point that you really don't think men are entitled to voice their opinion about male issues. If you truly and really believe men were entitled, you wouldn't be here making these ridiculous posts. When you make a post that is more than an idiotic rant - a post that actually makes a claim, supports that claim, and does so rationally - then I'll be happy to show you just how wrong you are in your assessment of me. Until then, grow up and examine the chip on your shoulder. With that, I'm done playing with you.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:45:22 PM)
quote: I know whining when I hear it Women discussing their issues = “feminism, female liberated speech” Men discussing their issues = “whining” Gotta larf. This age old double standard will never end.

LadyPact -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 3:50:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Well technically I am. I got slapped in my last relationship (it had nothing to do with BDSM). But this is no biggy. This is not the reason why I simply expose what's happening in society. I find it funny how some people think a male just simply hasn;t got the right to use the same freedom of speech that feminists are so entitled to use at any place and any time. OK, I only got this far. Some questions for you. Did you report it as assault? If you did, what was the recommendation of the police department? Were you giving information on the local shelter (of any kind) if you were afraid to return to your home? Did you file for a temporary restraining order? At that time, did you and your girlfriend share joint accounts, lease, or other financial contracts? I ask these questions because they are information that I am familiar with in regarding intake for DV victims here in the States. As to your original, what are the requirements in your country to start a non-profile organization?

theshytype -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 4:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: I know whining when I hear it Women discussing their issues = “feminism, female liberated speech” Men discussing their issues = “whining” Gotta larf. This age old double standard will never end. I go back to my question (that I'm assuming you never read since I also gave you the difference of a discussion vs. what you have brought to the table), what exactly are you looking for here? I'm assuming not help. I'm assuming you could really care less about the issue since, you said yourself, "no biggy" when you were slapped. That opinion right there is why the double-standard you hate so much was created. Because of people like you. To change the double-standard, you'll have to change your view as well.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 4:44:04 PM)
quote: Did you report it as assault? No. It wasn't worth it as there is no evidence. It's my baseless word against hers. But keeping in mind of what I just said, if she did something much more serious such like king hit me, I may attempt to seek justice from the police but I don't like the chances of her getting punished. Such like rape, I think a lot of the time, men don't really get taken as seriously. To go through all of this just for a single slap across the face is not worth the drama and effort. quote: I'm assuming you could really care less about the issue since, you said yourself, "no biggy" I see you are trying hard to manipulate my words and meanings. Yes, I care about the issue no doubt. But when I said "no biggy" I mean its not something that emotionally traumatised me. Its not something that's going to leave me damaged. It's nothing comparable to what other people go through when it comes to DV. So this is why it's valid to say "oh no biggy" but on the other hand of course I care about if people slap me across the face. Are you that simple to think I would just blithely accept anyone to randomly slap me across the face when they want? She slapped me, I'm not seeing her ever again. So no biggy :D If the same happened to a woman, I would be telling her the same thing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 5:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Tazzy, I got slapped because I dumped her. I went to a park with her and simply told her I want to break up. Not long after slap, and a damn hard one. Are you seriously equating one slap to domestic violence ?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 5:34:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Why is it that when a male complains about DV in support of men, it all the sudden becomes his responsibility to fix it all but when a woman does in support of women, such a thing is never asked? Why are ONLY men asked this question? Why not women? Why not feminists? Can you see the sexism here? Can you see the bias? This is just used in attempt to silence any man speaking the truth that certain people can't handle. How is the average powerless man supposed to do anything? What power do I have? What money do I have? It's ridiculous to sit here and tell the average powerless male to do something when he has no power or control whatsoever to make any change to begin with. What do you expect me to do? Start dancing around Julia Gillard's door step and tell her she better start giving me tax dollars to build a shelter? Seriously, what are you people thinking? Do I have control over the Australian government? Do you think me waving my hands in the air on the street telling them to give me money for a shelter is going to work? Are people truly so simplistic that they think I can just so easily get all this funding and the resources to start supporting men? If you aren't a simplistic minded person, maybe you can see how seriously complex the situation is. This is the job of the government to do something about it, not the job of the average powerless Tom, Dick or Harry that just simply complains in a discussion. What is it? You think a male isn't entitled to this speech, therefore you are looking for ways to silence the speech? Stop trying to censor the freedom of speech that feminists are so freely allowed to have! It's a pity that the other thread got shut down but I understand it was for a good cause so I respect the mods decision. Some people just can't handle certain opinions therefore their anger drives them to personally attack. Most of the time, it's usually because they are angry at not being able to refute the opinion that's making them pissy so they use personal attacks as a diversion tactic to veer the focus away from the opinion they can't handle. Bud...you're the epitome of "rambling drunk"...but you win the case that women own the game. (Could have been stated simply...that short). What is DV?

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