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marie2 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 5:42:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rhondare That's not DV, that's closure. Ha! Love it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 5:53:42 PM)
Thanks LP. Took only 2 pages to get an answer.

JeffBC -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:08:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Are you seriously equating one slap to domestic violence ? Perhaps my legal understandings aren't complete not being a lawyer and all but I don't thin I'm "equating" them. I think they are one and the same not similar.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:08:51 PM)
quote: Wow what a way to twist the whole point. There is a difference between me making a thread and ranting about being a victim of abuse than there is to make a thread about how bias organisations are against men in the DV industry. This thread isnt about how bias organizations are, or about your own abuse. This thread is about the bias on CM. As you should be able to see, there is none. You have been asked the same questions a woman would have been asked. Did you report? no. Why? Not enough proof. If she slapped you hard enough to hurt, the proof would have been on your face. DV is not tolerated by police, they will arrest a woman just as fast as a man these days. If not, you report it to the city. If it stops there, you go to the press. These are the steps women have to take. This is why you were asked. Even if they see no evidence, they still make out a report. The next guy in line wont have such a hard time to being believed when she does the same thing again. Thats why we tell women to report. Instead of wailing against all the sites and organizations that support women and not men, you should be reading them for information on how to protect yourself and report abuse. Thats how you become pro-active. Thats a viable step in taking control of the situation and your abuse instead of allowing your abuser to get away. I am not going to sit here and coddle you any more than I would a woman.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:18:28 PM)
It's laughable how people in here are trying to reflect this all on me while totally ignoring the sexism (the real issue here) practiced by organisations. I just simply made a thread that pointed out what's going on in these organisations and all the sudden, people make it about me. Blame, guilt, ridicule. For what? For exposing the anti male sexism that others are doing. Pathetic! We would never see this happen to a woman in here who simply expressed sexism against women. We all know this, so why keep bullshitting? The people in here just can't handle an opinion that doesn't come in the terms with almighty favoured politically correct feminism. It's always the same old childish tactics, reflect the topic onto the messenger, not the male issue being expressed. It's blatant anti male bigotry. I laugh at anyone who denies this.

LadyPact -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:23:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Are you seriously equating one slap to domestic violence ? Perhaps my legal understandings aren't complete not being a lawyer and all but I don't thin I'm "equating" them. I think they are one and the same not similar. Relationship status isn't what determines if a case is considered domestic violence. Think of it more in terms of not all crimes between races are considered hate crimes. There are certain elements that have to exist. You can have DV cases where the victim and the perpetrator don't necessarily have to live together. It is generally the more extreme stuff, like the victim has reason to fear for their life, even though they don't live together. That can be things like stalking or violating a restraining order. A slap from a girlfriend that doesn't live with the victim? It's more likely going to be an assault charge, as the other circumstance that make it a domestic violence charge don't exist. Living together automatically makes it a DV case when the cops show up.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:27:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 It's laughable how people in here are trying to reflect this all on me while totally ignoring the sexism (the real issue here) practiced by organisations. I just simply made a thread that pointed out what's going on in these organisations and all the sudden, people make it about me. Blame, guilt, ridicule. For what? For exposing the anti male sexism that others are doing. Pathetic! We would never see this happen to a woman in here who simply expressed sexism against women. We all know this, so why keep bullshitting? The people in here just can't handle an opinion that doesn't come in the terms with almighty favoured politically correct feminism. It's always the same old childish tactics, reflect the topic onto the messenger, not the male issue being expressed. It's blatant anti male bigotry. I laugh at anyone who denies this. Pst..... We cant help someone who wont help himself.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:31:24 PM)
quote: A slap from a girlfriend that doesn't live with the victim? It's more likely going to be an assault charge, as the other circumstance that make it a domestic violence charge don't exist. Living together automatically makes it a DV case when the cops show up. Violence is violence. There is no way around it. There is only ONE good reason for it and that's for self defense. Other than that, no woman is entitled to slap me across the face. Regardless if I call her an ugly bush skank. There is a huge social problem that many people (particularly feminists) ignore when it comes to women slapping men. Ya know, the common attitudes out there? He probably deserved it? You go girl! Wow that was funny! Let's make a joke out of it! Geez and feminists claim women are the second class citizens. heh

theshytype -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:35:47 PM)
I'm not trying to manipulate your words by any means. I'm trying to emphasize how those 2 words can have a great impact. When you say a slap was not a big deal, then someone can assume its acceptable behavior (I do not). I understand why you said "no biggy". But, you do understand you are not alone in saying that, right? Men have been through worse and still don't want to deal with the hassle of reporting it. For several different reasons. IMO, unless more men come forward and report DV, no matter how big or small it may seem, it will continue to be over-looked. I don't know about where you're at, but many organizations here try to raise awareness on DV against men. But, they cannot force men to speak up. If there are no sick people, there's no need for doctors. If there were no laws, there would be no need for lawyers. If abused men do not come forward and ask for help, no one is needed to help them.

Lucylastic -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:43:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Lucy It's the government's job, it's the politician's job. It's the job of the people in power. The people who have money and resources. The people who do these types of things for a living. How silly can people get? We all know if someone started a thread on a random article about pay gap, glass ceilings, rape, DV or any female issue that exist, people would all the sudden stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to turn it on the messenger, or in other words, blaming women...which is totally socially taboo. This is pure sexism, plain and simple. If you think everyone should chuck the burden and blame on any male who raises a male issue while having no such standard towards a woman expressing female issues, you are a sexist bigot, there is no way around it. Stop playing these childish games. This is nothing more than a diversion tactic. It's a tactic used to veer the focus away from the whole point of the issue. The reason why you are playing this game is because you can't handle the politically incorrect truth being exposed. You would rather hear people talking about how males are oh so privileged and poor women are oppressed. Im as serious as a heart attack Its you who are playing a childish game My offer was serious.. it stands. That you aren't, is blatantly obvious. Until you mail me on the other side to do something about it, You aren't worth any more of my time, effort or derision

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:47:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: A slap from a girlfriend that doesn't live with the victim? It's more likely going to be an assault charge, as the other circumstance that make it a domestic violence charge don't exist. Living together automatically makes it a DV case when the cops show up. Violence is violence. There is no way around it. There is only ONE good reason for it and that's for self defense. Other than that, no woman is entitled to slap me across the face. Regardless if I call her an ugly bush skank. There is a huge social problem that many people (particularly feminists) ignore when it comes to women slapping men. Ya know, the common attitudes out there? He probably deserved it? You go girl! Wow that was funny! Let's make a joke out of it! Geez and feminists claim women are the second class citizens. heh No one here said a woman is entitled. Nor did LP make a joke of it. What I do find interesting is your lack of doing ANYTHING to help your own cause. You simple want to blame women because you are a victim.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:56:42 PM)
quote: My offer was serious.. it stands. Look, this is ridiculous. Are you offering others this proposal who randomly create rants in forums? Or does this somehow for some ridiculous illogical reason only apply to me or any male who raises topics about male sexism? I can't take anyone seriously who has one standard for this and another standard for any other topic that exist. So obviously you are the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You are nothing more than just trying to silence me from having a rant about a topic that you don't like in this forum. You need to stop blaming me and making this about me when the REAL ISSUE here (which you are trying hard to ignore) is the sexism against men played out by certain organisations. That's the real issue here. This has absolutely nothing, that's right, nothing at all to do with me. Why is this so hard to understand? Where in that article I posted did it mention naughtynick? So therefore, what the flying fuck has this got to do with me? This is about these organisations, not naughtynick. The fact of the matter is to stop trying to make diversion tactics away from a truth that you can't handle.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 6:58:28 PM)
Hey.... rant on. We will all just ignore it. You were offered solutions to your problem. You have refused. "If you arent part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

SilverMark -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:02:26 PM)
nicky boy, you have migrated! I always thought that Cm need more misogyny! Been banned by too many groups over on FL have you? Watchout these girls over here are far too smart and tough to tolerate your brand of idiocy for long!

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:05:12 PM)
quote: I always thought that Cm need more misogyny So exposing the sexism from others all the sudden magically makes me a misogynist? lol a round of applause for female favoritism and anti male bigotry. :D

Lucylastic -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:07:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: My offer was serious.. it stands. Look, this is ridiculous. Are you offering others this proposal who randomly create rants in forums? Or does this somehow for some ridiculous illogical reason only apply to me or any male who raises topics about male sexism? I can't take anyone seriously who has one standard for this and another standard for any other topic that exist. So obviously you are the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You are nothing more than just trying to silence me from having a rant about a topic that you don't like in this forum. You need to stop blaming me and making this about me when the REAL ISSUE here (which you are trying hard to ignore) is the sexism against men played out by certain organisations. That's the real issue here. This has absolutely nothing, that's right, nothing at all to do with me. Why is this so hard to understand? Where in that article I posted did it mention naughtynick? So therefore, what the flying fuck has this got to do with me? This is about these organisations, not naughtynick. The fact of the matter is to stop trying to make diversion tactics away from a truth that you can't handle. Last time..... If someone else wanted "help" getting an issue out there, yes..I would. There is no double standard, Ive helped with issues that need addressing before. It is obvious from your attempts tho that you have no desire to do anything about it. As I said, the offer stands stomp your lil feetsies and be impotent in your rage. carry on

Zonie63 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:09:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: A slap from a girlfriend that doesn't live with the victim? It's more likely going to be an assault charge, as the other circumstance that make it a domestic violence charge don't exist. Living together automatically makes it a DV case when the cops show up. Violence is violence. There is no way around it. There is only ONE good reason for it and that's for self defense. Other than that, no woman is entitled to slap me across the face. Regardless if I call her an ugly bush skank. There is a huge social problem that many people (particularly feminists) ignore when it comes to women slapping men. Ya know, the common attitudes out there? He probably deserved it? You go girl! Wow that was funny! Let's make a joke out of it! Geez and feminists claim women are the second class citizens. heh Actually, I would think that men would be more inclined to make scornful jokes than the women would, in situations like this. Some men are even proud to have been slapped by women, usually because they make some offensive, disgusting proposition that triggers the violent response. Then, he'll go and tell his buddies and have a good laugh over it. Truth be told, men are probably far less sympathetic towards male victims of domestic violence than women would be. There may very well be a double standard here, but I don't see it as a feminist one. It's more like a carry over from the old double standard which never really went away.

LadyPact -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:13:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Violence is violence. There is no way around it. There is only ONE good reason for it and that's for self defense. Other than that, no woman is entitled to slap me across the face. Regardless if I call her an ugly bush skank. There is a huge social problem that many people (particularly feminists) ignore when it comes to women slapping men. Ya know, the common attitudes out there? He probably deserved it? You go girl! Wow that was funny! Let's make a joke out of it! Geez and feminists claim women are the second class citizens. heh Just like not every crime committed by a person of one race happens to be against a victim of another race is not necessarily a hate crime, relationship status alone does not automatically categorize something as domestic violence. Here, our laws vary state to state. In some states, if the police are called to a place of residence and two of the residents are in an altercation that has resulted in physical aggression, it is automatically considered domestic because the two live together. There are other conditions where it can be considered DV even though the two don't live together. However, you need more than he said/she said. People who have a child together, for example, will qualify an assault as DV in some states. If two people are just dating, unless there is a pattern, the victim being in fear for their life because the other person can legally access the home, or there is some kind of paper trail, it's going to be qualified as assault.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:15:10 PM)
quote: Truth be told, men are probably far less sympathetic towards male victims of domestic violence than women would be Have you got any proof to back this up? Here in this case, we have a group of women with a mostly female audience laughing about a real life situation of a man's dick getting chopped off and put in the shredder. No sympathetic attitudes here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY

tazzygirl -> RE: Why the double standard? (11/28/2012 7:15:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: I always thought that Cm need more misogyny So exposing the sexism from others all the sudden magically makes me a misogynist? lol a round of applause for female favoritism and anti male bigotry. :D And yet he is male. And he knows you.

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