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Gun facts - 12/17/2012 4:44:55 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		Lets keep the politics out of this one...i just wanted to get some facts out there.

Assault weapons and their civillian equivelents are LESS powerful than your average deer rifle, WWII or WWI rifle. The importance of lethality fell and wounding became important or at least just as good.

Hunting rifles are more powerful, shoot farther and are more accurate.

Your typical pump shotgun is far more concealible and easily as deadly as an assialt weapon.

The most common weapins used in crimes are mossberg pump ahotgons, h&r single ahot shotguns, and glenfield model 60 .22 rifles. Probably cause they are cheap, poor people own em and poor people steal from otger poor people.


Banning handguns wont work because any idiot with a hacksaw can turn ahotguns into handguns.

Now, please keep this thread technical if we can
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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 4:46:08 PM   
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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 4:57:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Lets keep the politics out of this one..
Banning handguns wont work because any idiot with a hacksaw can turn ahotguns into handguns.


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Banning handguns wont work because . . . .


You just made it political, right there, Michael. Really, I do wish anti-banners would stop trying that trick. It doesn't cut it anymore.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:04:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
i just wanted to get some facts out there.

facts.. yes lets look at facts..

banning handguns would be a good start.. banning hacksaws too, perhaps???

"In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:06:42 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		Good point, let me complete the thought. Its a fact that many "sporting" guns can effortlessly be made into handguns.

Therefore it is a FACT that a partial ban on "bad" guns is pointless.

Now, talking about whether a ban on on ALL guns would be effective is political.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:10:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Good point, let me complete the thought. Its a fact that many "sporting" guns can effortlessly be made into handguns.

Therefore it is a FACT that a partial ban on "bad" guns is pointless.

Now, talking about whether a ban on on ALL guns would be effective is political.

death by gun wont be completely eliminated, it would reduce the majority of deaths tho.. I would not call that exactly "pointless"..

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:18:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Lets keep the politics out of this one...i just wanted to get some facts out there.

Assault weapons and their civillian equivelents are LESS powerful than your average deer rifle, WWII or WWI rifle. The importance of lethality fell and wounding became important or at least just as good.

Hunting rifles are more powerful, shoot farther and are more accurate.

Your typical pump shotgun is far more concealible and easily as deadly as an assialt weapon.

The most common weapins used in crimes are mossberg pump ahotgons, h&r single ahot shotguns, and glenfield model 60 .22 rifles. Probably cause they are cheap, poor people own em and poor people steal from otger poor people.


Banning handguns wont work because any idiot with a hacksaw can turn ahotguns into handguns.

Now, please keep this thread technical if we can

You start the thread by asking that we keep the politics out of it......
Than you go and make an outright political statement.
Make up your damm mind...and please keep in mind,while you are getting your facts out there,that there are still 20 children to be laid to rest.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:24:06 PM   
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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:28:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Good point, let me complete the thought. Its a fact that many "sporting" guns can effortlessly be made into handguns.

Therefore it is a FACT that a partial ban on "bad" guns is pointless.

Now, talking about whether a ban on on ALL guns would be effective is political.

You are convinced it is "pointless",I and others think it is worth trying.
I feel the mood of the country,considering what just happened is leaning my way
Of course I am trying not to be political about this.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:30:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Give me some time to get all the reports on the Assault Weapon ban and I will get back here with some facts.

Mike we know about 20 dead children. If we dont see it in here we see it on every news broadcast on tv, with all the gruesome pictures to boot.

Christ all the news media in this country needs is a bunch of people killed by fucking crazy son of a bitch, a nice war to broadcast live from, or some fucking terrorist with a bomb in his fucking underwear. Reporters are nothing but fucking vultures.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:30:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Yes and 5 people a year are killed by vending machines and 38,000 die because of the flue and god knows how many die from cigarettes or bathtubs and i dont see you railing against those.

I got a flu shot and I'm trying to quit smoking.
What else you got ?
(that whole vending machine thing is sooo true,thats why I don't go near the things)

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:31:39 PM   
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Yes and 5 people a year are killed by vending machines and 38,000 die because of the flue and god knows how many die from cigarettes or bathtubs and i dont see you railing against those.

You've not seen the threads in here about the anti vaccination cretinism from people who think that if they get a 'flu jab their kids will get autism and The Man will be able to control their thought processes using the nanotech hidden in the serum?

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:32:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Give me some time to get all the reports on the Assault Weapon ban and I will get back here with some facts.

Mike we know about 20 dead children. If we dont see it in here we see it on every news broadcast on tv, with all the gruesome pictures to boot.

Christ all the news media in this country needs is a bunch of people killed by fucking crazy son of a bitch, a nice war to broadcast live from, or some fucking terrorist with a bomb in his fucking underwear. Reporters are nothing but fucking vultures.

Are you quite sure you know Jeff...for instance were you aware they were SHOT to death.
According to every source I have seen there was no,let me repeat that NO explosives involved.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:33:43 PM   
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Reporters are nothing but fucking vultures.

That's what they get paid for. I always find that line a bit hypocritical coming from people who watch the news, to be honest.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:35:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Yes and 5 people a year are killed by vending machines and 38,000 die because of the flue and god knows how many die from cigarettes or bathtubs and i dont see you railing against those.


Except vending machines and bathtubs were not designed to be used to kill. God I'm sick of this kind of non-argument. Big difference between accidental deaths and sicknesses and peoples own choice and somebody going into a school with something that has no other purpose but to kill.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:36:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Yes and 5 people a year are killed by vending machines and 38,000 die because of the flue and god knows how many die from cigarettes or bathtubs and i dont see you railing against those.

I got a flu shot and I'm trying to quit smoking.
What else you got ?
(that whole vending machine thing is sooo true,thats why I don't go near the things)


So, you only care about certain minor forms of carnage but not major ones.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:36:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Give me some time to get all the reports on the Assault Weapon ban and I will get back here with some facts.

Mike we know about 20 dead children. If we dont see it in here we see it on every news broadcast on tv, with all the gruesome pictures to boot.

Christ all the news media in this country needs is a bunch of people killed by fucking crazy son of a bitch, a nice war to broadcast live from, or some fucking terrorist with a bomb in his fucking underwear. Reporters are nothing but fucking vultures.

Are you quite sure you know Jeff...for instance were you aware they were SHOT to death.
According to every source I have seen there was no,let me repeat that NO explosives involved.



Mike stop the bullshit, yes I know they were fucking shot. If you would actually READ the responses to your point, you would have figured out a few things that I have tried to get across about guns in general and so called assault weapons to be specific.

Go back and read my responses for gods sake. I have answered every one of your points, and then some.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:41:39 PM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/

I will cite one of the facts from the above article here (for details please read the article):

More guns tend to mean more homicide.

ENOUGH SAID.

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:47:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Yes and 5 people a year are killed by vending machines and 38,000 die because of the flue and god knows how many die from cigarettes or bathtubs and i dont see you railing against those.


lol

Here is the claim....

Another thing that makes my anxiety go down a bit are the statistics surrounding the annual flu season we all endure. According to the CDC, 200,000 Americans are hospitalized and 38,000 die from the flu each year. This is a 0.008 mortality rate. This is also much higher than what we are seeing right now. Though those affected did double yesterday.

What does the CDC say?

2009

Hospitalizations Total ~265,000 ~188,000 to ~389,000

Deaths Total ~12,000 ~8,520 to ~17,620


http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates/April_February_13.htm

If we are dealing with facts, lets get the real facts and not from tin foil hat sites

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RE: Gun facts - 12/17/2012 5:53:05 PM   
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