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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/18/2012 11:35:40 PM   
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I keep saying... hit the wallets. Make gun owners responsible.

Which makes as much sense as doubling a neighborhood's car license fees each time some local drunk flattens an old lady in a cross walk. Collective punishment for individual choices is not exactly rational.
There are already legal repercussions for owners whose guns are stolen then used for crime when they didn't take 'reasonable' measures to secure the guns, exposure to liability actions in US courts.
Once again, the discussion is about insane people attacking defenseless children. Mistaking the choice of tools to do that in certain instances for the intention to do harm hardly changes the intentions of other insane people. Guns are not the evil in the world. They are one choice of enacting evil. The crazy people are the issue, there will always be effective tools to do murder and technology keeps bringing out more all the time. Frankly, I think we'll all wish guns were the choice in the not distant future. I'll refrain from listing just a few of the more obvious, having a bit more sense of responsibility than the average newspaper. There are ears everywhere?

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 12:17:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't Anyone in this thread study Statistics in school? Listening to the arguments each way on this law or that ban and school shooting is like Charlie listening to Lucy. My stomach just wants to ache.
The total of all mass shootings in the US is still far below any number that is amenable to statistical analysis, much less those of a decade of a certain ban against those in the 15 years since. NO point can be supported by these almost unique events, other than that copy cat crimes are as much the problem as anything? We can guess at trends for lack of anything useful to discuss, but those guesses are hardly proper support for enacting large scale public policies.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 12:29:37 AM   
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Which makes as much sense as doubling a neighborhood's car license fees each time some local drunk flattens an old lady in a cross walk. Collective punishment for individual choices is not exactly rational.


You arent collectively punishing anyone.... except the gun owner.

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There are already legal repercussions for owners whose guns are stolen then used for crime when they didn't take 'reasonable' measures to secure the guns, exposure to liability actions in US courts.


There is?

All I can find is if minors are involved. Mind finding me a link that says how one is legally required to keep a gun if a minor isnt around?

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Once again, the discussion is about insane people attacking defenseless children.


At this point, the discussion nation wide is how to keep insane people from attacking with guns. The Aurora incident wasnt just children.

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Guns are not the evil in the world.


Never said they were. I go hunting every time I go home to visit.



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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 1:35:03 AM   
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Which one was "both"?

Columbine, all legally purchased.

Sandy Hook, legally purchased.

Virginia Tech, Legally Puchased.

West Nickles Mines School, legally purchased.

Honestly, which killings were the result of stolen guns? And I dont mean stolen from family members who left the killer easy access.

Ah, now you want to play semantics? What happened with dealing with the mentally ill? You cant play both sides of that fence.
Why does "stolen from family members" matter when it comes to "stolen"?

If your kid steals your car and rams it into somebody else, does it matter that the car was stolen from a parent? How about if the kid steals your credit cards?

From the reports that I heard today, I'm not exactly calling Nancy a "responsible" gun owner. Who takes their kid to the gun range because he 'can't be trusted to stay by himself'? If there was ever a poster child scenario for the advantages of owning a gun safe, that was it.



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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 1:48:28 AM   
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Why does "stolen from family members" matter when it comes to "stolen"?


The easy access part is what I was referring more too.

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If your kid steals your car and rams it into somebody else, does it matter that the car was stolen from a parent? How about if the kid steals your credit cards?


Its a matter of trust. Do you leave your credit cards or keys lying around strangers? No. But your family? Most would if they havent already had problems.

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From the reports that I heard today, I'm not exactly calling Nancy a "responsible" gun owner. Who takes their kid to the gun range because he 'can't be trusted to stay by himself'? If there was ever a poster child scenario for the advantages of owning a gun safe, that was it.


Thats my point. A good safe might have averted this situation... or at least stalled it, keeping in m ind we dont know at what point he gained access to the gun that killed his mother. Its hers... but was it something she kept at the bedside?

So many questions.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 2:22:44 AM   
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Probably off topic, but I think we're kidding ourselves in thinking we are going to find the answers after the fact. In some way, trying to make sense out of the senseless. We're not going to get that. Sure, we want it. We want something that we can possibly understand. It just doesn't always happen that way.

What we're not looking at is the theory that these knee jerk reactions on guns aren't really solutions. They are band-aids.


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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 2:43:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Didn't Anyone in this thread study Statistics in school? Listening to the arguments each way on this law or that ban and school shooting is like Charlie listening to Lucy. My stomach just wants to ache.
The total of all mass shootings in the US is still far below any number that is amenable to statistical analysis, much less those of a decade of a certain ban against those in the 15 years since. NO point can be supported by these almost unique events, other than that copy cat crimes are as much the problem as anything? We can guess at trends for lack of anything useful to discuss, but those guesses are hardly proper support for enacting large scale public policies.

It would be wise to get simple arithmetic right before attacking anyone elses ability to analyze statistics.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 4:11:40 AM   
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please explain how I lied about the ban. and then explain how you corrected it.

So far all I got is more death = the gun's fault (and if you insist on pursuing that line of argument, be prepared to back it up with factual information about the shooters and circumstances of all the shootings that occured within both periods)

You claimed it did not result in fewer school children's deaths.



Excellent. Now quote the passage where I said that "it did not result in fewer people's deaths"

If you can quote that then I am a (corrected) liar. If you cannot quote that I made a definitive statement as I knew the precise numbers then you have demonstrated you have worthless reading comprehension skills.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 4:23:10 AM   
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I keep saying... hit the wallets. Make gun owners responsible.


You keep saying that and to some point it happens, but it's not going to change anything but enact a stupid litigious trend here.

Think about it this way. I am hypothetically rich and in possession of home owner's, liability, and even NRA liability. I probably have 2 safes, a great security system, and two dobermans. Odds are, my guns are fully inaccessible and if not Inam covered to the gills.


Now this idiot's mother, mama green (protecting her family in the hood), and old Coot the squirrelly fellow on the sub rural meth line are poor. These are the most frequently hit targets, because they are near others who are likely to have a burglar and they have fewer means to keep their things secure.

Mama jones is burgled. Tragedy ensued. She gets sued. MJ goes to Blackie Childs, esq., pays him $1,000 and declares bankruptcy 10 days after the petition is filed. $1000 hurts, but that's all you are going to squeeze out of these people... Bankruptcy filing fees.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/19/2012 5:45:22 AM   
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This thread has been locked for review. This will happen less often if the personal attacks cease.

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RE: Lets get serious about gun control and safety in ou... - 12/21/2012 2:21:25 PM   
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