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Between 1999 and 2010, firearms cut short the lives of 1,705 children in the United States under the age of 10, including 21 in Maryland and 49 in Virginia, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The deaths of young children from gunshots are dwarfed by fatalities from other causes during that time: 8,499 drownings and nearly 16,000 in traffic accidents. source

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Among the young victims killed nationwide by guns since 1999, nearly 60 percent were white and 61 percent male. About 1,280 of the deaths were homicides and 380 were unintentional, according to the CDC data. The causes of 45 deaths were undetermined, and two were suicide. Less than one percent of all homicides among school-age children happen on school grounds or on the way to or from school, according to the CDC’s School Associated Violent Death Study.

“The vast majority of students will never experience lethal violence at school,” the study found.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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So you would be talking about more like half a million annual dollars in cost to a school of any size (and that would only be if greedy administrators and politicians didn't get a whiff of this big pot of money just waiting to be raided).

I think you are far exaggerating the costs...lets just say all additional benefit and insurance costs outside of salary for a $50,000 employee would generously equal an additional $20,000. This would include certifications and training.

In our town local police often fill in as security at various business and colleges around town to obtain SS benefits and could easily substitute for sick days and vacations.

As for the number needed per school the size of the student population would determine the guards needed. The larger the school to more financially enabled they are through local taxes and state aid.

This is very doable and affordable in my view it just takes organization and perhaps a federal mandate for public schools to provide.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I can tell you one way the money would become available...

If congress would stop spending money on a missile defense system that does not work.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I have listed the real costs my friend... look at it by individual districts and schools... I can not explain it to you any better ...I am using facts not wild estimates with no bases in fact.

There is a national average for police pay...look it up

There is a national average cost per student....look it up

It could be done if mandated with little financial impact on school districts and taxes....Well worth the outlay I would say.

Yes it will take some time and provisions made with local police departments for backup...no problem... I am telling you from knowledge police are looking for side jobs so they can accumulate hours for social security benefits

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Here's about the only way I justify SRO's (School Resource Officers)
Our town has about 14,000 people. During the day, there are about 12-15 officers on shift which is about 1/1000 people.
The HS has about 1000 students and staff.
Kinda makes sense to put a cop where about 1000 people are concentrated.

or you could eliminate a couple of assistant superentendents who don't improve education anyway

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Even if we accept the imaginary numbers you asserted, and reject the factual ones I linked to, there is still the other salient point.

Which is that even if we could wave a magic wand and have all of these police appear out of nowhere at a low cost, it would be impossible for them to stop the next suicidal killer. Police work is too reactive in such cases.

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As for your second point...how would you know.. they would be an on scene deterrent. You would have no idea how many tragedies they would stop just by there presence...unless you are a future teller extraordinaire.

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As for your second point...how would you know.. they would be an on scene deterrent. You would have no idea how many tragedies they would stop just by there presence...unless you are a future teller extraordinaire.

Columbine had officers on duty at the school.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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As for your second point...how would you know.. they would be an on scene deterrent. You would have no idea how many tragedies they would stop just by there presence...unless you are a future teller extraordinaire.

Columbine had officers on duty at the school.

but they were inexplicably unarmed keep in mind that in virtually every case when faced with armed ressistance the shooter either surrenders of committs suicide

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
Again, these TV show plot lines make for nice entertainment, but lousy public policy, and even worse risk mangement.

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ORIGINAL: subspaceseven

The proof of putting guns in schools will not stop that is simple to show. Explain the Ft Hood killings, inside a Army base where weapons and people trained to kill other people are all over, did not stop the person from killing 12 and wounding 29. Say is was the gun free zone...however all security on all military camps. bases is done by armed personal


Saying the only answer to gun violence is more guns would be like saying the only way to lower drunk driving deaths is to make more alcohol available to people of all ages. which did not work inthe 70's when they lowered the drinking age

My problem with this whole thing is that both extremes are the only ones people are listening to, there is many many ways to reduce gun violence, just as there are ways which have worked to lower smoking, lower drunk driving deaths and they are working.

But when your argument is we will not even listen to the possibility of reducing any type of access to guns and the only answer is more guns for everyone, that is not reasonable, the gun owner is not the only person who has rights protected.

Look at Free Speech.....there are limits to it for the protection of everybody. You can't scream fire in a crowed place as a joke without being arrested, you can't place threats against others without the police getting involved...

As George Washington stated

"Individuals entering into society, must give up a share of liberty to preserve the rest. The magnitude of the sacrifice must depend as well on situation and circumstance, as on the object to be obtained."

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ORIGINAL: subspaceseven

"Individuals entering into society, must give up a share of liberty to preserve the rest. The magnitude of the sacrifice must depend as well on situation and circumstance, as on the object to be obtained."

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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Between 1999 and 2010, firearms cut short the lives of 1,705 children in the United States under the age of 10, including 21 in Maryland and 49 in Virginia, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The deaths of young children from gunshots are dwarfed by fatalities from other causes during that time: 8,499 drownings and nearly 16,000 in traffic accidents. source

Interesting reading, too bad it does not prove the point of the anti-gun proponents.

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Among the young victims killed nationwide by guns since 1999, nearly 60 percent were white and 61 percent male. About 1,280 of the deaths were homicides and 380 were unintentional, according to the CDC data. The causes of 45 deaths were undetermined, and two were suicide. Less than one percent of all homicides among school-age children happen on school grounds or on the way to or from school, according to the CDC’s School Associated Violent Death Study.

“The vast majority of students will never experience lethal violence at school,” the study found.

In fact, it proves what most of us have been saying, this is a rare occasion, not the norm

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

well, considering the rampant and rabid anti gun stance in the media, there seems to have been a run on assault rifles.

However, a few weapons seem to have been un affected by the media stance. A Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle starts at $12500 depending on the model, and the NFA market is just as brisk as ever. I found a virgin M2 full parts kit (complete weapon, just not assembled) for $28000, M16's for around 10K, and M60's start at 14,5