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How does staying armed stop the govt in any way, shape or form??? they have much more manpower & weapons.. sheesh, they invade other countries.. what chance does an American or group of Americans stand?

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There is only so much bloodshed people are willing to endure.

Horseshit.
If you endured a recount being stopped illegally and an unelected President being sworn in and spending two terms accusing anybody who complained about his behaviour of treason, then you'll endure any indignity at all.

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The same kind you have when the government puts dogs on you, beats you with batons. Sprays you with high power water hoses. There is only so much bloodshed people are willing to endure. And there is only so much that most people are willing to dish out. When you stand in a pool of your own countrymen's blood you will have had your fill.

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How does staying armed stop the govt in any way, shape or form??? they have much more manpower & weapons.. sheesh, they invade other countries.. what chance does an American or group of Americans stand?

You know I used to think that. But then I really stopped to ponder the problem. And sure as hell I'm not military general but it seems pretty likely to me that if Iw as tasked with suppressing my own citizenry I would MUCH prefer that they were unarmed. Asymmetric warfare is real and it's effective -- especially when civilian casualties are an issue. So sure, if the US military could be convinced to deploy it's full strength against US citizens then we are all screwed. But there wouldn't be much of a US left afterwards to rule over.

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The same kind you have when the government puts dogs on you, beats you with batons. Sprays you with high power water hoses. There is only so much bloodshed people are willing to endure. And there is only so much that most people are willing to dish out. When you stand in a pool of your own countrymen's blood you will have had your fill.

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The same kind you have when the government puts dogs on you, beats you with batons. Sprays you with high power water hoses. There is only so much bloodshed people are willing to endure. And there is only so much that most people are willing to dish out. When you stand in a pool of your own countrymen's blood you will have had your fill.

people will endure a lot, imo, and yes even pools of blood.. the nazis proved that, it was not just the Jews that were persecuted, it was anyone that did the slightest thing against the Nazis oir their rules, children were given medals from the SS for turning in their parents.. just listening to allied radio programs would have gotten you killed..

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And think about it, why should countries have acted to stop them, save those vicious acts? Countries taking over other countries is nothing new.

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during the week after Newton there were three copy cats all killed by armed citizens the case is made

I cant seem to find any links to those. Care to provide them?

oregon mall shooting for one surley you can find that
and a theater in b'ham AL
there was another in a rural church my son saw it not me (he is 22)
I took your word for Philly schools locking up janitor closets

The Mall shooter killed himself after killing 2 others.

Birmingham the police shot the killer after he shot another officer and two employees.

The church I have no clue about.

These two werent stopped by "armed citizens" unless you want to count the shooter and the police as "armed citizens".

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armed resistance from armed citizen, as these shooters consistentlly do that the armed citizen may or may not have influenced this.

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The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

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Yet you indicated those incidents happened after Conn.

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armed resistance from armed citizen, as these shooters consistentlly do that the armed citizen may or may not have influenced this.

According to his report....

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The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

It can only be assumed that the gunman saw him. He was behind a pillar. Then the citizen went and hid.. I dont blame him for that action. But the citizen didnt stop him, the jammed gun did.

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considering that now the US has survialance drone flying over are heads, does any think guns will stop a predator drone with missles?

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during the week after Newton there were three copy cats all killed by armed citizens the case is made

I cant seem to find any links to those. Care to provide them?

oregon mall shooting for one surley you can find that
and a theater in b'ham AL
there was another in a rural church my son saw it not me (he is 22)
I took your word for Philly schools locking up janitor closets

The Mall shooter killed himself after killing 2 others.

Birmingham the police shot the killer after he shot another officer and two employees.

The church I have no clue about.

These two werent stopped by "armed citizens" unless you want to count the shooter and the police as "armed citizens".

thats what I get for listening to other people Mall shooter committed suicide after meeting armed resistance from armed citizen, as these shooters consistentlly do that the armed citizen may or may not have influenced this.
your rendetion of the theator shooting is at odds with the coverage here soyou may well be describing a different incident
As for a church shooting the only one I personally have seen an article on in the last year was in Colo, Auroa I think were the shooter killed two in the parking lot and was stopped in the foyer by a armed parishiner

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He served 17 years for killing his grandmother with a hammer. Our system is flawed. Gun control laws aren't going to solve the problem. Dealing with criminals, gang bangers and the mentally ill more appropriately will do more to prevent these acts than new laws will. I believe more laws will simply create a bigger black market for firearms, but won't stop the problem. They will only create more laws to break.

It seems to me keeping those who murder behind bars would be an easier fix than what ever it is we need to do concerning mental health. At least if they are behind bars they can't kill again.

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considering that now the US has survialance drone flying over are heads, does any think guns will stop a predator drone with missles?

Missiles? For police duties? They do something like that and they better find a bunker to retire to. They might find it hard to get a good nights sleep.

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Or maybe we can help the mentally ill BEFORE they kill.

Or maybe they'll at least settle for killing their therapist.

K.