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tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 1:45:50 AM)
Hmmm... then we only have his word that he even got the note. Though, I wouldnt be surprised he got something. Nor do I see something necessarily wrong about a "cease and desist" letter.

metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 1:51:21 AM)
I'm not absolutely sure there's anything wrong with it either. But as far as I can tell, it doesn't violate TOS. And if he can be told not to post certain things even though they don't violate TOS, it raises questions about what other people might me told not to post. And the value of having a TOS. Pam

Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 3:25:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Rules are guidelines. Some can be hard and fast, some need to be more flexible. Which "guideline" were they interpreting when they told a certain poster not to post comments on circumcision or Jewish culture? Pam I looked but couldn't find it so, does the TOS say that you can't make statements that are derogatory based on race, religion, gender, etc? If it does, then the mods were within their rights to tell the OP to stop. If it doesn't, then they weren't. Although I do see a bit of a work around in section 11 that basically states that if anyone complains about content they find offensive it will be reviewed and modified or erased at their discretion. Kind of a catch all.

Level -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 3:30:51 AM)
Is he obsessed with circumcision? Yes. But I find it ridiculous that he's told not to speak about it; just ignore him. If every person that posted annoying shit got muzzled, this would be a quiet place.

littlewonder -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 3:48:49 AM)
Yup. That's why I have him on ignore. Unfortunately everyone quotes him! [8D]

LaTigresse -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 3:54:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis What I mean is: I'm beginning to think all we really have is the pretense of rules. Pam Then you would be correct. As I see it.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 5:03:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Do we know what was said? Or was this his interpretation of what was said? I find it hard to believe that if the topic is circumcisions, he would not be able to post at all. I cannot say he was lying. I do know that particular poster sometimes interprets things a bit differently than I do, for example. I once got a gold letter for saying "Was he circumcised?" that's the whole damn post, in the presence of a certain poster on these boards because it apparently might set said poster off. Again.....making up TOS as you go along. Here is the email with the name removed. Please do not provoke ******* with the circumcision comments. Also, please report any of his posts that mentions it in connection with genetic predispositions. I recieved it 9-15-12 from Gamma.

metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 5:47:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I once got a gold letter for saying "Was he circumcised?" that's the whole damn post, in the presence of a certain poster on these boards because it apparently might set said poster off. In which case, it may not be an example of favoritism. You were asked to stop provoking him. He was asked to stop making the comments. That does sound fair, except that it raises questions about the appropriateness of moderating for things outside of TOS. Pam

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 5:59:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis "except that it raises questions about the appropriateness of moderating for things outside of TOS." Pam DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING We have a WINNERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You just hit what I've been saying for 6 months. Enforce TOS, ONLY TOS and nothing but TOS. Don't make up things and call it a TOS violation. Just because a mod doesn't PERSONALLY like a post or is afraid it might upset someone, doesn't mean it violates TOS. If it doesnt violate TOS, it stays. ETA. The belief that minor surgery has a link to genetic fitness or lack of same is also NOT a TOS violation. It's silly as hell but it's not a violation.

metamorfosis -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 6:20:29 AM)
I can see two sides of this. Moderating just by TOS might be impractical. Moderating outside of it might encourage favoritism. Pam

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 6:28:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis I can see two sides of this. Moderating outside of it might encourage favoritism. Pam "Moderating just by TOS might be impractical." How? It's worked really well for years hasn't it? You can either use the rule book or not. Either stick to it or throw it out the window. What would you say if you were tooling down the highway on a nice sunny at 65 in a 65 MPH zone and a trooper pulls you over and tickets you with the reason of "I know the sign says 65 but I don't believe anyone should be allowed to travel over 50 on this stretch. Your court date is Tuesday at 9AM. Have a nice day"? That's what has been happening on this site.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 6:49:46 AM)
I look at this much like I do playing a board game. When I pull out Chutes and Ladders. The rules are right there. My UM can't make up or change the rules along the way because he is loosing. The TOS is a set of rules, that as posters we not only AGREE to when we join but are expected to follow while posting and having profile on the other side. If the MODS or owner decide to change those rules and not inform anyone. How can we as members be held accountable, punished or moderated? To our knowledge we are not violating the TOS or rules that we AGREED to. So of course when we get moderated or simply receive a gold letter and we did not violate the TOS, we go "WTF?" Of course we start to wonder if there is favoritism or a personal agenda being played out. THAT is human nature IMO. It also makes people very hesitant to post. How can you follow the rules or even attempt to if you don't know what those rules are? ETA: This does happen. Hell it happened to me recently. Where a MOD removed a post and the gold email stated I didn't follow the TOS. Which they later admitted I did and reposted my post. Reposting it isn't the point. The point is I followed the guidelines. You punished me anyways.

Aswad -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 8:04:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Only certain groups have the privelege of complaining about derogatory terms. This is true, and cultural, not something particular to CollarMe. The N word is magic, and context doesn't matter; this was clarified at the highest level on CM, and mirrors how the media can't use that word when reporting a news story wherein the word is relayed. Historians will see this time period, if we leave any evidence, as having been more reverent about this "divine name" than any previous culture, and there may well be neonegroism as a religion in the future, similarly to neopaganism (grab bits and pieces from old stuff, rewrap it out of context, etc.). Yet the word "kike" has already been used in this thread. These are both just examples, of course. "White trash", like "kike", is treated differently, which is in line with US culture, as noted. Let's not even get into the number of different derogatory terms used for other groups, or the ones that aren't just a single word (and thus not a problem, because it's "amen" that matters, not "may it be so"; magic). IWYW, — Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 8:06:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis I agree that the rules need to be enforced as written. I disagree. Rules need to be enforced with some comprehension. quote: People are complaining about unwritten rules. Some of us are complaining about written rules. IWYW, — Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 8:17:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it hard to believe that if the topic is circumcisions, he would not be able to post at all. I seem to recall debating the matter with you in a thread that died for unknown reasons. That said, we don't know who said what to Rule, beyond his interpretation, and I don't expect the moderators to open up the process; this isn't a democracy (and thank goodness for that). Hillwilliam seems to have substantiated it well enough, though, and let's face it, this isn't something that would strike anyone as being out of character. Even I found the malecirc thing excessive, amusing as it might be in its own thread. Note, though, that Rule has stuck to what he was told, so hardly bad behavior in that sense. IWYW, — Aswad.

Moonhead -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 11:35:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Hmmm... then we only have his word that he even got the note. Though, I wouldnt be surprised he got something. Nor do I see something necessarily wrong about a "cease and desist" letter. A cease and desist letter would certainly beat a ban for two months. Or is that why you think his story might not be on the level? [;)]

Moonhead -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 11:38:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad These are both just examples, of course. "White trash", like "kike", is treated differently, which is in line with US culture, as noted. Let's not even get into the number of different derogatory terms used for other groups, or the ones that aren't just a single word (and thus not a problem, because it's "amen" that matters, not "may it be so"; magic). It's worth remembering the context thing: I've had mods asking me what this that or the other word means when I'm on approval. I suppose that's an upshot of having moderators sourced entirely from the 'States, but it does still make you wonder if they're going to be fully competent to deal with the fact that non American anglophones are often going to have idioms that differ from their own.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 11:41:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead non American anglophones Them's fightin words. We can't help if if y'all cant speak English the way it was intended.[8D]

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 11:43:39 AM)
quote: You can either use the rule book or not. They are using the rule book.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/7/2013 11:49:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You can either use the rule book or not. They are using the rule book. Want proof they arent? I can come up with more emails.

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