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Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:35:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

And why does that instance have anything to do with keeping semiautomatic attack firearms out of the reach of people.

Morgan doesn't just wish an 'assault rifle' ban. He wishes ALL firearms banned from civilian use.
That said, I support his right to say it. He is an employee of the news media and is protected by the first amendment.
I find Jones' efforts to wipe his ass with the first in order to 'protect' the second laughable at best and much more likely to be rated 'demented' or 'pathetic'.

ED because I was reading a book by Piers Anthony the other day and said "Anthony instead of Morgan"



ReverentDeviant -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:39:34 AM)

Please, please, please, please don't deport Piers Morgan.


We really don't want him back.



tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:39:58 AM)

And this woman's very real trauma is exactly why I would never support a total gun band.



batp -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:48:09 AM)

Hey I'm Canadian . We can't own full auto a r 15s or m 4s. We can't carry them around with us. There is no such thing as a carry concealed weapon permit. But we still have just as much fun violence as the states per capita. So will a gun ban really do a damn thing. If the want to get guns...... They'll get them. All there doing is Making it difficult for the person who is following the law.



LizDeluxe -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:50:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Without the NRA, past and present, I doubt if we could even own handguns at this point.


Point taken. You are correct. Lately, I've been so overwhelmed with the pablum being spewed by gun rights supporters that I had forgotten how equally moronic some of the gun control zealots' arguments can be.



tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:53:47 AM)

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Morgan doesn't just wish an 'assault rifle' ban. He wishes ALL firearms banned from civilian use.


I was trying to figure out who that was.... lol.. Anthony was not ringing any bells.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:53:49 AM)

Here's the problem with a so-called "Assault rifle" ban.
It won't do a damn bit of good.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Americans-more-likely-to-be-killed-with-baseball/y2MF56vrQk6YE1hXMriv8A.cspx

"In 2011, almost 13,000 people were murdered with a weapon. Of those, 1,700 people were killed with knives; almost 500 were killed with hammers, bats, and clubs; and 728 were killed by another's bare hands. Statistics show only 323 people were killed with rifles."

Note, that is rifles in total. Not assault rifles. That number includes everything from a single-shot .22 on up.

Bare hands are twice as deadly as rifles.



Moonhead -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:55:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: batp

Hey I'm Canadian . We can't own full auto a r 15s or m 4s. We can't carry them around with us. There is no such thing as a carry concealed weapon permit. But we still have just as much fun violence as the states per capita. So will a gun ban really do a damn thing. If the want to get guns...... They'll get them. All there doing is Making it difficult for the person who is following the law.

Are you sure? The per capita rate for gun violence is lower in Canada than the 'States. Not as low as (say) Denmark or the UK, but still lower than in America.



DomYngBlk -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 7:59:19 AM)

Bet those 323 and everyone that knew them and loved them would disagree with your "truth"



tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:00:27 AM)

Isnt that a bit misleading?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Actually, I would call their table wrong.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:11:08 AM)

In what way?
If "Firearms, type not stated" was proportional, it would add about 30 to the rifle total (not "assault rifle", rifle). Fists, feet, etc is still twice as deadly.
Knives, 5 times as deadly.
You can say "It will save a certain number of lives" but what it will mostly do is create a new class of criminals just like any other prohibition and the presently existing criminals who don't care about the law will still kill.
To say that it will make these weapons inaccessible to the criminal class is laughable.
If I wanted a fully auto AK, I could have one by the weekend if I were a criminal.



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:15:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro



The NRA was founded in 1871, to think of the 100s of thousand of lives and more that would have been spared if the NRA was not orginized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg

because firearms overwhelm the will of honest decent people and force them to kill

You forgot to engage your <Sarcasm Font>. If you don't, there are people who will think you agree with them.

if they thought that their sarcasm detector is busted beyond repair



Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:17:13 AM)

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"



Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:18:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro



The NRA was founded in 1871, to think of the 100s of thousand of lives and more that would have been spared if the NRA was not orginized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg

because firearms overwhelm the will of honest decent people and force them to kill

You forgot to engage your <Sarcasm Font>. If you don't, there are people who will think you agree with them.

if they thought that their sarcasm detector is busted beyond repair

My point exactly.



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:21:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

how many times can you punish the innocent for the sins of the guilty with out forcing the innocent to rebel



igor2003 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:21:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.




This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:22:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.




This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.

well put



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:25:08 AM)

the CDC (not exactly a pro gun group) has done six studies since the guns that look like assault weapons ban expired and have not been able to demonstrate any increase in crime as a result



SimplyMichael -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:25:42 AM)

Violence is a symptom of social ills. Countries with lower crime rates have significant differences from the US. Less immigrants, less poverty, less social inequality, more healthcare, more sane drug laws, more social equality.

Guns are a tool used in violence and broadly speaking, we have two kinds. The common street violence related to crime and the rare events like Arora.

We are going to get some additional gun control that will do nothing to address either of the above issues.

I hope someone,is,smart enough,to require better stats be taken. Currently if,your,ex husband,who you jave a restrainomg order against gets out of prison and attacks you, that counts as "killing a family member" . So,e defensive,shootings are tracked as "murders", and nobody tracks defensive shootings.
The reality is that assualt weapons are rarely used in crime, too bulky, to hard to conceal, etc.

Another thing would be an 800# to find out if a gun,is stolen.



DomYngBlk -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 8:26:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

In what way?
If "Firearms, type not stated" was proportional, it would add about 30 to the rifle total (not "assault rifle", rifle). Fists, feet, etc is still twice as deadly.
Knives, 5 times as deadly.
You can say "It will save a certain number of lives" but what it will mostly do is create a new class of criminals just like any other prohibition and the presently existing criminals who don't care about the law will still kill.
To say that it will make these weapons inaccessible to the criminal class is laughable.
If I wanted a fully auto AK, I could have one by the weekend if I were a criminal.


Well I since the statistics don't list nuclear bombs then we should just legalize the ownership of them right? No deaths to date with that weapon. What  could be the harm?



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