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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 4:29:53 PM

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i love the blue pit puppy pic ( mouthful for sure to say out loud )

i have a 5 year old sable ( Cuda ) that was a rescue. she's a cuddler but has a strong dislike for men in baseball style caps. never bitten anyone or hurt anyone... just gets into protection mode. if i could post a picture i would. her tail and ears are not cropped.

i'm told that the cropping ears and tails developed because it gave the fighting dogs less to grab on to. terrible right?

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 4:51:06 PM

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 5:34:07 PM

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Technically breagha, pits should never have their tails cropped. They (the tails) were used by the old time pit men as a means to safely grab on to their dogs when in a fight. (now fighting, that's disgusting). The ear cropping of certain breeds was done for utility purposes. The Doberman, bred by Herr Louis Doberman in Germany, was the ONLY breed originally bred for the purpose of fighting a human being. Hence the ears were cropped, tail docked to give the "bad guy" less to grab onto. Many other breeds were cropped/docked for purely asthetic reasons: such as the MinPin, boxer, great dane, etc. It became the fashion of the kennel club and many years ago you stood virtually no chance of your dog winning unless they were cropped/docked. Opinion in this country is changing..... dogs with natural ears/tails are now winning in the show ring. Many breeders and owners still prefer the clean/sharp look of a cropped ear (dobermans, pits, etc). Vets today have stopped cropping/docking or charge an arm and a leg IF you insist on having it done. Reason: Not cruelty. Most folks don't know how to care for the ear after surgery and blame the vet when it does not stand correctly. (that came from my vet when we discussed cropping my Dobe bitch).

            Do I feel it's "cruel"? Not when done under anesthesia by a qualified vet who gives pain meds after surgery, & the owner is fanatically clean with care & taping of the ears afterwards. Docking? Well.......I admit I'm more squimish on that. The pups are three days old when it's done. No anesthesia is used. It takes a few seconds......they start nursing immediately and it's over. Still......No dog of mine will go thru docking again. Of course I am no longer breeding dogs either.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 5:44:55 PM

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From what I understand the working dogs often had their tails docked to keep them from being stepped on by the livestock. Although, it has since come out that the dogs actually use their tails as a rudder and it improves their agility.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:19:01 PM

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. . . when RS said 'cropped' is this what you were talking about?

if this is a surgical thing why would anyone do that to a dog? . . .

Yes, they chop the ears and tail in many breeds. You are asking a nation of silicone tits, face lifts, nose jobs and tummy tucks why someone would use cosmetic surgery? Short crop was for fighting. Less for opponent to chew on and they lose their ears in battle eventually anyway. Longer crops were fashion evolved from te function of a battle crop. It held true to the fighting breeds' look.

Even a cropped puppy is as cute as floppy eared one.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:20:17 PM

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Same here, first thought when I saw tag was "I know where hundreds of homeless PB"s live how many do ya want & why? Yes Tia & shorty try to be niicer in person but matter of fact is just how they roll!!

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If you have an unregistered Pitbull type dog in the UK, the police can seize and destroy it for no other reason than it looks like a Pitbulll. Because Staffordshire Bull Terriers became enormously popular in the UK a few years ago, they became a victim of their own success. Supply soon outweighed demand and consequently thousands of these lovely gentle dogs have ended up in the wrong hands. They have been used as fighting and baiting dogs and they are bred with other unregistered staffies. Charities are bursting over with registered Staffies needing new homes and thousands of unregistered staffies are now being destroyed.
Its bloody tragic.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:26:49 PM

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thanks servos cor... that is actually a lot better than what i'd heard. though i still hate the idea of it.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:28:43 PM

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If you have an unregistered Pitbull type dog in the UK, the police can seize and destroy it for no other reason than it looks like a Pitbulll. Because Staffordshire Bull Terriers became enormously popular in the UK a few years ago, they became a victim of their own success. Supply soon outweighed demand and consequently thousands of these lovely gentle dogs have ended up in the wrong hands. They have been used as fighting and baiting dogs and they are bred with other unregistered staffies. Charities are bursting over with registered Staffies needing new homes and thousands of unregistered staffies are now being destroyed.
Its bloody tragic.

. . . fuck the popo . . . never should have let them take your guns in the UK. They took your guns now they dogs known as good home defenders? You guys are screwed aren't you?

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:33:24 PM

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you're welcome breagha. Basically, at this point, it boils down to a matter of personal preference and your wallet. :) People are getting more and more used to the natural ears on pits and dobes... and tails on the Rotts/Dobes. The imported dogs from Europe have been natural for nearly 10 yrs or so.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:34:55 PM

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Nah RS we are good here Dobie is locked & loaded as well as a pretty good shot

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 6:42:25 PM

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When everyone finishes watches all these gushy puppy videos type "pit bull attack" in the You Tube search window.

How about you type in dog attacks. Why generalize one set of dogs. Seriously, it's a ridiculous attitude to have. Pita aren't the only dogs that have EVER bit anyone. What about the temperamental pomeranians. Does a dog bite from that kind of dog make it okay? Just because it's small?

I am a pit lover myself. My husband and talk about getting a pit rescue for our next dog. We already have two rescues. My mom owns a beautiful red nosed male. My husband and I both love him. He's so calm and a big baby. All the kittehs love him.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 7:02:48 PM

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i agree imp ( can i call you that? )

i'm a firm believer that with all dogs the owners need to know them and their body language. for example... when my pit is feeling uncomfortable or anxious she takes on a certain head position. keeping her past experiences in mind i tend to try to take notice of this so she doesn't snap out of fear. she's a cuddler and a lover and i don't believe she would outright attack anyone without provocation. just like any animal ( including people for the most part ) but i like to keep an eye out just in case

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 7:56:21 PM

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i'm wondering if someone can help me out?

i've seen that American dogs sometimes have their ears a certain way that seems very un-natural to the breed. in looking at some on the links in youtube from the one RS posted i saw it there. my question is why? when RS said 'cropped' is this what you were talking about?

if this is a surgical thing why would anyone do that to a dog? we are not even allowed to dock ours now unless we can prove it's for working purposes. infact most vet's refuse to do it. but as least there was a working reason behind docking. i'm not sure why people would do this with a dogs ears...if that is what is being done.

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Cropping the ears to produce the "alert" upright ears in breeds like boxers and dobies is still revoltingly common in the US. The problem is manifold, first is that many states have virtually no animal cruelty laws at all (cock fighting only became illegal in the entire US 4 years ago). Second is the kennel and breed clubs which stick to the 19th century breed standards despite overwhelming evidence of harm to the animals. Finally many breeders care about nothing but the puppies sale price and will crop the ears rather than educate the buyers.

Exactly this!!

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 8:48:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: lmpishlilhellcat

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

When everyone finishes watches all these gushy puppy videos type "pit bull attack" in the You Tube search window.

How about you type in dog attacks. Why generalize one set of dogs. Seriously, it's a ridiculous attitude to have. Pita aren't the only dogs that have EVER bit anyone. What about the temperamental pomeranians. Does a dog bite from that kind of dog make it okay? Just because it's small?

I am a pit lover myself. My husband and talk about getting a pit rescue for our next dog. We already have two rescues. My mom owns a beautiful red nosed male. My husband and I both love him. He's so calm and a big baby. All the kittehs love him.

I agree. Many other breeds are truly nervous and attack for unpredictable reasons. Pound for pound, I think 250 lbs of vicious little Chihuahuas is something I would not want to confront.

I am prejudice and I love most variations of the Mastiff breed. My dad liked the Bullmastiff. I liked the big old English ones. My friend Archie breeds and shows the Cane Corso. I inherited the most loveable red nose that came with my slave. The mastiff family of dog breeds are all a loveable bunch... and the red nose is awesome whether cropped and regal or cute and floppy.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/10/2013 10:04:54 PM

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OH MY.....what a gorgeous classy red boy number two is! Handsome fella!

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/11/2013 3:25:27 AM

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I like the ears normal, especially for girls. They are both cute.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/11/2013 9:14:51 AM

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Not a pitt but.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/11/2013 9:46:44 AM

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If you have an unregistered Pitbull type dog in the UK, the police can seize and destroy it for no other reason than it looks like a Pitbulll. Because Staffordshire Bull Terriers became enormously popular in the UK a few years ago, they became a victim of their own success. Supply soon outweighed demand and consequently thousands of these lovely gentle dogs have ended up in the wrong hands. They have been used as fighting and baiting dogs and they are bred with other unregistered staffies. Charities are bursting over with registered Staffies needing new homes and thousands of unregistered staffies are now being destroyed.
Its bloody tragic.

. . . fuck the popo . . . never should have let them take your guns in the UK. They took your guns now they dogs known as good home defenders? You guys are screwed aren't you?

Stop being so fucking righteous Sadist

Pit Bulls are the most over-bred dog in the United States & it's estimated that only 1 in 600 will find a permanent home, leading the other 599 puppies and dogs to shelter-life and euthanasia. Pit bulls are the number 1 shelter-euthanized dog breed in America, as well as the most abused & misunderstood breed.
http://www.change.org/petitions/pit-bull-advocacy.

Oh and they never took our guns! We don't want guns. I will never live in a place where I fear crime. I live in a place where we never lock our doors and don't take the ignition keys out of our car in case we lose them. The only crime we have round here is the odd feral cat trying to route through the rubbish.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/11/2013 10:00:37 AM

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OH MY.....what a gorgeous classy red boy number two is! Handsome fella!

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Now this baffles me. Number one looks like he's had his ears left alone and he's not disfigured but you prefer the disfigured one.
From what I have read about canine ear cropping, it is a painful, mutilating and disfiguring process for any animal but so long as people still like the look dogs ears will continue to be cropped.

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RE: D Pearls got me thinking about pit puppies... - 1/11/2013 10:43:25 AM

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Ear cropping can be done correctly by a vet that is not painful, mutilating, etc

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