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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 6:17:09 PM   
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Any fucking moron can quote the opening line of wiki. Try being a rocket scientist and read all of it. Post the many stats of the F20 which surpassed the F16 at about half the price...

Or, do more than just read wiki before exposing yourself.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 6:21:58 PM   
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It's amazing. 30 years ago in this country, a politician who refused to pledge his undying support for Israel was labeled an anti-semite and became unelectable but, with Dear leader, the darling of the mind-numbed, pablum puking left, it seems that anti-semitism is the order of the day. Well, played, liberals. Well played.




More humiliating for the President`s critics is the fact that the President won more of the Jewish vote than Mittens did...

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 6:25:25 PM   
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Very well...you are defensive aren't you?

Operators
Main article: General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon operators

F-16 operators (former operators in red)
4,500 F-16s had been delivered by July 2010.[107]

Bahrain
Belgium
Chile
Denmark
Egypt
Greece
Indonesia
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Morocco
Netherlands
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Poland
Portugal
Saudi Arabia[108][109]
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Singapore
South Korea
Thailand
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
United States
Venezuela

[edit] Former operators
Italy - From 15 March 2001 until 23 May 2012, the Italian Air Force leased 30 F-16As and 4 F-16Bs from the USAF.[110]


[edit] Specifications (F-16C Block 30)
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 49 ft 5 in (15.06 m)
Wingspan: 32 ft 8 in (9.96 m)
Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 300 ft² (27.87 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A204 root and tip
Empty weight: 18,900 lb (8,570 kg)
Loaded weight: 26,500 lb (12,000 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 42,300 lb (19,200 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × F110-GE-100 afterburning turbofan Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 Template:Newton (unit))
Thrust with afterburner: 28,600 lbf (127 kN)

Performance
Maximum speed:
At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[51]
At altitude: Mach 2+ (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h[1]) clean configuration

Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 50,000+ ft[1] (15,240+ m)
Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.095

Armament
Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon, 511 rounds
Hardpoints: 2× wing-tip Air-to-air missile launch rails, 6× under-wing & 3× under-fuselage pylon stations holding up to 17,000 lb (7,700 kg) of payload
Rockets:
4× LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19× /7× Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively) or
4× LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19× CRV7 70 mm rockets) or
4× LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4× Zuni 127 mm rockets)

Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: 2× AIM-7 Sparrow or
6× AIM-9 Sidewinder or
6× IRIS-T or
6× AIM-120 AMRAAM or
6× Python-4

Air-to-ground missiles: 6× AGM-45 Shrike or
6× AGM-65 Maverick or
4× AGM-88 HARM

Anti-ship missiles: 2× AGM-84 Harpoon or
4× AGM-119 Penguin


Bombs:
8× CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition
8× CBU-89 Gator mine
8× CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon
Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser capable
4× GBU-10 Paveway II
6× GBU-12 Paveway II
4× JDAM
4× Mark 84 general-purpose bombs
8× Mark 83 GP bombs
12× Mark 82 GP bombs
8× Small Diameter Bomb
3× B61 nuclear bomb

Others: SUU-42A/A Flares/Infrared decoys dispenser pod and chaff pod or
AN/ALQ-131 & AN/ALQ-184 ECM pods or
LANTIRN, Lockheed Martin Sniper XR & LITENING targeting pods or
up to 3× 300/330/370 US gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time.


Avionics

AN/APG-68 radar
MIL-STD-1553 bus[2]


Specifications (F-20)

Data from Northrop F-5/F-20/T-38,[25] Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft[3]

General characteristics
Crew: 1 pilot
Length: 47 ft 4 in (14.4 m)
Wingspan: 27 ft 11.9 in / 8.53 m; with wingtip missiles (26 ft 8 in/ 8.13 m; without wingtip missiles)
Height: 13 ft 10 in (4.20 m)
Wing area: 200 ft² (18.6 m²)
Empty weight: 13,150 lb (5,090 kg)
Loaded weight: 15,480 lb (6,830 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 27,500 lb (11,920 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × General Electric F404-GE-100 turbofan, 17,000 lbf (76 kN)

Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2+
Combat radius: 300 nmi (345 mi, 556 km) ; for hi-lo-hi mission with 2 × 330 US gal (1,250 L) drop tanks
Ferry range: 1,490 nmi (1715 mi, 2759 km) ; with 3 × 330 US gal (1,250 L) drop tanks
Service ceiling: 55,000 ft (16,800 m)
Rate of climb: 52,800 ft/min (255 m/s)
Wing loading: 81.0 lb/ft² (395 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.1

Armament
Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.79 in) Pontiac M39A2 cannons in the nose, 280 rounds each
Hardpoints: Five external hardpoints with a capacity of 8,000 lb (3,600 kg) of bombs, missiles, rockets and drop tanks for extended range
Rockets: 2× CRV7 rocket pods Or
2 × LAU-10 rocket pods with 4 × Zuni 5 in (127 mm) rockets each Or
2 × Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders on wingtip launch rails (similar to F-16 and F/A-18)
AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles on hardpoints
Bombs: Various air-to-ground ordnance such as Mark 80 series of unguided iron bombs (including 3 kg and 14 kg practice bombs), CBU-24/49/52/58 cluster bomb munitions, M129 Leaflet bomb

Avionics
General Electric AN/APG-67


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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 8:53:01 PM   
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Alright, easy solution, we turn the entire planet into a sheet of glass then no one has a problem.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 9:14:51 PM   
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Alright, easy solution, we turn the entire planet into a sheet of glass then no one has a problem.


Well if we going to do that why not do other earth type planets....we can do "Over Kill" 35 times, why just settle for one target?

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 9:58:47 PM   
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Alright, easy solution, we turn the entire planet into a sheet of glass then no one has a problem.

Well if we going to do that why not do other earth type planets....we can do "Over Kill" 35 times, why just settle for one target?

Absolutely, if there's human life there we'd probably be doing them a favor. I like it. A random act of kindness. Good thinking. What gentle soul could fail to agree?

K.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/14/2013 11:38:24 PM   
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quote:

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Alright, easy solution, we turn the entire planet into a sheet of glass then no one has a problem.

Well if we going to do that why not do other earth type planets....we can do "Over Kill" 35 times, why just settle for one target?

Absolutely, if there's human life there we'd probably be doing them a favor. I like it. A random act of kindness. Good thinking. What gentle soul could fail to agree?

K.



Some say there are about 100 earth type planets, in a short distance from us, about 30 x 9.4605284 x 10 to the 15 power meteric (check my math I admit I wasn't good at it). So, we destory a third, there will be plenty left. And you can agree with me all you want, you're still not getting a 4 day pass to Comic-Con from me.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 12:28:34 AM   
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quote:

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Alright, easy solution, we turn the entire planet into a sheet of glass then no one has a problem.

Well if we going to do that why not do other earth type planets....we can do "Over Kill" 35 times, why just settle for one target?

Absolutely, if there's human life there we'd probably be doing them a favor. I like it. A random act of kindness. Good thinking. What gentle soul could fail to agree?

K.



I did not say my plan was without bad side effects. I just said it was an easy solution, and I am sure the idea has crossed the mind of some politician somewhere.

As for blasting 35 other earth type worlds, we do not have the technology to get our nukes that far, therefore we are stuck eliminating all life on this planet.

You do notice I did not use the term "intelligent life," that is because after seeing what humans do to each other, I am not sure that the human race qualifies as an intelligent species.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 1:09:19 AM   
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you can agree with me all you want...

I'm afraid I don't know to what you're referring here. I'm quite sure I have never agreed with you.

K.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 5:29:44 AM   
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It's amazing. 30 years ago in this country, a politician who refused to pledge his undying support for Israel was labeled an anti-semite and became unelectable but, with Dear leader, the darling of the mind-numbed, pablum puking left, it seems that anti-semitism is the order of the day. Well, played, liberals. Well played.




More humiliating for the President`s critics is the fact that the President won more of the Jewish vote than Mittens did...

Good luck getting a reply to that one.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 6:19:27 AM   
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My! Oh my! Here we have people squabbling about whether the quotes from Israeli leaders are as bad as Morsi's in the OP.

Don't you people know that Israel is running an apartheid regime in the West Bank?  Don't you people know that Israel has been practising ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians since pre-1949?  Don't some of you have any idea what you are talking about?

There is no more racist thing imaginable this side of ethnic genocide than apartheid and ethnic cleansing, all practiced by the country that likes to spread the illusion that it is the only 'democracy' in the Middle East.  And most of it paid for with US tax $.  Take a bow US taxpayers - you are footing the bill for apartheid and ethnic cleansing.  So STFU about racism elsewhere until you stop this.

Sometimes I really wonder if some people posting here have any sense of perspective or even basic knowledge about the world around them.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 6:30:11 AM   
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Which one of those quotes was from the guy currently running Israel?


Do you really want me to get started on the extremist idiot Netanyahu?

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."

“This is disputed land, not Palestinian, or we claim public ownership.” (occupied territories)

I don't want to govern the Palestinians. I don't want them as subjects of Israel or as citizens of Israel. I want them to have their own independent state but a demilitarized state.

Netanyahu also believes in a greater Israel so where does he think the Palestinian state will be and an unarmed own which according the the National Rifle Association means subjugation.

If I thought it would make a difference to your prejudices I would post a host of Netanyahu's more anodine quotes within context of the conflict.


I don't see how his quotes are equivalent to morsi's.



you are right in that Morsi hasn't expelled Jews from Egypt. Netanyahu however has expelled plenty of Palestianians from Isreal.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 6:50:36 AM   
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you can agree with me all you want...

I'm afraid I don't know to what you're referring here. I'm quite sure I have never agreed with you.

K.



Maybe it is for best, you would have to come to San Diego and it's not NRA friendly. The last election the NRA tried to get their man voted in as Sheriff. The NRA complained Sheriff Bill Gore was pro gun control and was not handed out the concealed weapons permit like candy, Sheriff Gore required a good reason to request a permit, being a member of the NRA was not good enough. The NRA attempt to unseat Sheriff Gore failed. Also the Westboro Church thinks Comic-Con is gay.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 8:15:13 AM   
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you are right in that Morsi hasn't expelled Jews from Egypt.

He was a bit late in coming to power to join in on that pogrom http://jimenaexperience.org/egypt/about/past-and-present/

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 9:58:08 AM   
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My! Oh my! Here we have people squabbling about whether the quotes from Israeli leaders are as bad as Morsi's in the OP.

Don't you people know that Israel is running an apartheid regime in the West Bank?  Don't you people know that Israel has been practising ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians since pre-1949?  Don't some of you have any idea what you are talking about?

There is no more racist thing imaginable this side of ethnic genocide than apartheid and ethnic cleansing, all practiced by the country that likes to spread the illusion that it is the only 'democracy' in the Middle East.  And most of it paid for with US tax $.  Take a bow US taxpayers - you are footing the bill for apartheid and ethnic cleansing.  So STFU about racism elsewhere until you stop this.

Sometimes I really wonder if some people posting here have any sense of perspective or even basic knowledge about the world around them.



The Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years...

It is time they got some payback.

Besides when Iran gets nuclear weapons, Israel and the eastern Med will become a sheet of glass and no one will be able to live there.

Problem solved.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 10:07:57 AM   
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Maybe if we finally got off our ass and developed homegrown renewable energy to the point where our petroleum is enough for our use we could just let those fuckers in the ME go back to cheerfully killing each other like they've been doing for thousands of years and stop putting our young men and women in harms way so some CEO can buy a new yacht.


Well, at least you admit it is for their oil you are killing for and not democracy.

I've never claimed differently.


I tend to agree with both of you, except that there are a few exceptions I might take to the "it's all about the oil" view when discussing our policies towards the Middle East. It is about oil, but not just about oil.

First, there are other sources of oil in the world, not just the Middle East. I don't think that it's the U.S. that really needs the oil for our own consumption, but we just want to control it and keep other countries from gaining hegemony over the region.

Regarding U.S. support of Israel, this is also kind of an anomaly, since Israel doesn't have any oil to export. If all we're concerned about is oil, supporting Israel makes no sense, since it has only served to anger the major oil producing nations in the region. The oil embargo and energy crisis of the 1970s was because the Arab nations were retaliating against us over our support of Israel in the 1973 war. For all practical purposes, the U.S. has subordinated its oil interests in favor of Israel's strategic interests (which are often linked to U.S. strategic interests). If we had to give up on one or the other, the U.S. might be hard pressed to choose between Israel's security or the continued flow of Persian Gulf oil. Right now, we can afford to do both, but we don't know how long that can last.

Also, religion has to be mentioned here, since we're essentially dealing with a religious conflict. This territory known as the "Holy Land" has been fought over for centuries. There are those who are more religiously inclined who believe that the U.S. plays a role in Prophecy in which it is supposedly God's will that the U.S. support Israel. Others around the world seem to think that it's holy ground, and they want fight over control of sacred temples and stuff like that. To some people, their religious beliefs are more important than oil, so that may also be a very significant factor in all of this.

However, I also agree that we should try to conserve and find alternative sources of energy. I think that we've been somewhat short-sighted in not putting more time and money into researching and developing other forms of energy. We still have plenty of coal, but there are environmental costs with that. We also have nuclear power, although there are legitimate concerns about safety. Solar and wind seem to have found a few niches here and there, and they sound promising, but it just doesn't seem practical on a widespread level.

I remember there were those with high hopes over solar power back in the 1970s and 80s, but I don't know what happened to all that. The local electric company was building these huge solar panels out in the desert, but I don't think it would be able to generate enough power for a whole city. It might help a bit to reduce consumption of other fuels, though. I've also heard of solar cars, but I think they only work while the sun is shining.

Another problem is that the U.S. has a rather poor public transportation system. Passenger rail is a joke, and our airlines are almost as bad. Not one U.S airline has made it above third tier when compared with world airlines in the last survey I looked at. In most cities, public transportation systems are rather limited. People need to use their cars to get around; the whole system is designed for that, especially in the western cities which grew up mostly after the invention of the automobile.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 10:19:56 AM   
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Maybe it is for best, you would have to come to San Diego and it's not NRA friendly. The last election the NRA tried to get their man voted in as Sheriff. The NRA complained Sheriff Bill Gore was pro gun control and was not handed out the concealed weapons permit like candy, Sheriff Gore required a good reason to request a permit, being a member of the NRA was not good enough. The NRA attempt to unseat Sheriff Gore failed. Also the Westboro Church thinks Comic-Con is gay.

Could you explain what the hell the San Diego sheriff's race, CC permits and the NRA has to do with the topic at hand?

Damn dude, quit fucking trolling all over the place.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 11:34:46 AM   
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Maybe it is for best, you would have to come to San Diego and it's not NRA friendly. The last election the NRA tried to get their man voted in as Sheriff. The NRA complained Sheriff Bill Gore was pro gun control and was not handed out the concealed weapons permit like candy, Sheriff Gore required a good reason to request a permit, being a member of the NRA was not good enough. The NRA attempt to unseat Sheriff Gore failed. Also the Westboro Church thinks Comic-Con is gay.

Could you explain what the hell the San Diego sheriff's race, CC permits and the NRA has to do with the topic at hand?
Damn dude, quit fucking trolling all over the place.


Come on Hill. He sees the SD sheriff's race, CC permits and the NRA as a strategic interest, but mis-read the title to be "us" instead of "U.S. (United States)." So, those things are of strategic interest to him and to those around him, thus, his "us" stuff.

Well, that's as close to making it germane as anyone is likely to get anyway... lol


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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 12:32:01 PM   
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The Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years...

It is time they got some payback.


So Palestinian Arab muslims and orthodox Christians have to pay for the anti-semiticism that was created and promoted by the European Roman Catholic Church?


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Besides when Iran gets nuclear weapons, Israel and the eastern Med will become a sheet of glass and no one will be able to live there.

Problem solved.


What a ridiculous statement. Iran gaining nuclear weapons will mean the US and lapdogs won't be able to invade it and Israel will have to deal with not being the regional superpower anymore.

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RE: U.S. Strategic Interests - 1/15/2013 12:51:23 PM   
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you are right in that Morsi hasn't expelled Jews from Egypt. Netanyahu however has expelled plenty of Palestianians from Isreal.

Morsi can't expell the Jews from Egypt. Previous regimes finished that deacdes ago.

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