jlf1961
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Suez Crisis (October 1956) - A military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel, beginning on 29 October 1956, with the intention to occupy the Sinai Peninsula and to take over the Suez Canal. The attack followed Egypt's decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam. Although the Israeli invasion of the Sinai was successful, the US and USSR forced it to retreat. Even so, Israel managed to re-open the Straits of Tiran and pacified its southern border.
As for the 1948 accord, you are most definitely WRONG.
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The Plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[4][5] The Plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community, including the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee,[4][6] who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed partition and claimed all of Palestine.[7] The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 65% non-Jewish (1,200,000), and 35% Jewish (650,000),[8] most of them European born,[9] who immigrated in the late 19th and first half of the 20th centuries as a result of the Zionist movement (see Zionism).
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You still not have commented on your own countries ethnic oppression.
And for the record, I was part of the US contingent of peace keepers in late 82 and early 83. I have Palestinian friends in Gaza and the area that is presently supposed to be part of the agreed to Palestinian state, and I have Israeli friends I made when my unit was cross trained with Israeli commandos so we could work joint operations with little problem.
So I have heard both sides of the fucking argument. Neither fucking side has clean hands in this mess, but at least Israel agrees in principle to the Palestinians having their own country, while the Palestinians and Arab countries have one very clear goal, the elimination of Israel and the Jews living in Israel, so answer me this, if you were living with that kind of animosity directed at you, just how the fuck would you feel?
As for the 1967 border, are you referring to the border prior to the Arab attack, or the border after the Arabs were pushed back? You see the territory gained while Israel was fighting to survive is legitimate gains. They sure got nothing in compensation from the Arab countries that attacked them.
Now, Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt after the Camp David accords, which was pretty magnanimous of them, since they gained that territory after they were again attacked by Arab countries, actually they gained that in a preemptive strike against the Arab countries massing troops to attack Israel again. But still it was the result of a planned Arab attack on the Nation of Israel.
I am not a student of Israeli propaganda, I am a student of military history.
And having lived in Israel while working for a company with contracts in Tel-Aviv, I had first hand experience of car bombs, random shootings and having my office shot the hell up since I was working for a firm with contracts with the Israeli government. I did not take kindly to being shot at while I was in the army on peacekeeper duty, by the very people we were there to protect, meaning Christians, PLO, and Israeli troops firing at PLO camps beyond my position.
Since I was in the army, I have lived in Israel for a total of 3 years. During that time I met people on both sides of the argument and became a target by association.
Tell you what, why dont you apply for a job that requires you to live in Israel, preferably a company contracted to the Israeli government and stay there 1 year. After you experience what is an almost daily occurrence of terrorist action, tell me that in some ways, while admittedly over reacting, the Israelis are in part justified in their actions.
Now since I proved you wrong about the 1948 partition of Palestine and who did and did not agree to it, why dont you crawl back into your hypocritical hole and stay out of debates on situations that clearly you only know the antisemitic, anti Israel revisionist history about. As it stands, I feel like I am debating someone that has the wrong information and refuses to see the truth.
Considering my experience in the region, and the contacts I have made on both sides of the situation, I probably know more accurate details than you do.
Now on a personal note, the daughter of an Israeli soldier I trained with was injured today in a incident with some Palestinian youth throwing stones at who ever they perceived as Jews, she is in serious condition with a skull fracture and though the prognosis is good, I still feel for the family.
I also heard about a Palestinian I met years ago, now a grandfather who was killed as a direct result of Israeli military action.
Now in your opinion, should I send condolences to both families or just one?
Instead of answering that, why don't you do some fucking research on the entire history of the conflict, independent of whatever sites you are looking at, and learn the fucking truth. All I have seen in your posts are the basic antisemitic arguments that every anti Israel website has posted all over their pages. I have yet to see you admit to the simple fact that the goal of the Palestinians and Arab countries is the elimination of the Nation of Israel.
That simple fact would make any country take extreme actions to preserve its existence.
I am sorry that you cant grasp that reality. It really makes you antisemitic, regardless of what you claim. FYI, Israeli school children spend most of the day sheltering under their desks due to incoming rockets. Those rockets are not specifically targeted against government or military buildings, they are what we in the military addressed as "To whom it may concern."
At least the Israeli military try to target legit targets when they return fire, yes there are civilian casualties, but artillery and indirect rocket fire is not an exactly smart weapon. You could best describe it as area effect weapons. Another thing about artillery fire just because you have it set for a specific range does not mean it is actually going to make that range. I know from experience that arty fire falls short, sometimes too fucking short.
And it does not help that Palestinians have a nasty habit of putting rocket launchers in the middle of civilian populations. Bet you did not know that, did you?
So in effect those Palestinian militants launching rockets into Israel are just as responsible for civilian casualties as the Israelis. Now, if you were under daily rocket fire, indiscriminately targeted to do maximum civilian damage, would you try to take out the launchers regardless of location, or just let it continue.
Never mind, I have seen the reality of your stand, you think that nothing justifies Israel defending itself.
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