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jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 2:46:15 PM)

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By analyzing DNA from people in all regions of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago.


Let's really muddy the waters




mnottertail -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 2:47:47 PM)

Yes, let's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7gVvUuZkE




jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 4:00:23 PM)

Realone, you would be correct if the term had not changed over the centuries.

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In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ‎) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Ahlamu, Akkadian, Amharic, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic, Canaanite/Phoenician, Chaldean, Eblaite, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Mandaic, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic, among others.

As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution.

he term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Ahlamu, Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Ishmaelites, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Ubarites, Dilmunites, Bahranis, Maltese, Mandaeans, Sabians, Syriacs, Mhallami, Amalekites and Qedarites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Geschichte der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.

The word "Semite" and most uses of the word "Semitic" relate to any people whose native tongue is, or was historically, a member of the associated language family.[17][18] The term "anti-Semite", however, came by a circuitous route to refer most commonly to one hostile or discriminatory towards Jews in particular.
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Now I have noticed that when you are called on lack of provable sources, i.e links that link to a site other than one that is Anti-Jewish, you pull some strawman argument to try and change the focus.

It is not the Jewish people who took the term semite as their own, it was the various scholars who did that. The term, as I pointed out has come to mean anti-jewish, whether you want it to or not,




Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 6:36:12 PM)

heh heh

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The scholars are mostly Jewish.

OOPSIE!!

Regardless Jewish scholars accepted the usage.

OOPSIE!!

The historical institutions that filter the way its presented are?

Yep mostly Jewish.

OOPSIE!!

Its the usage, application, and the LAW! (in some countries)

OOPSIE!!

People are getting put in fucking prison for this world wide rampant tyrannical abrogation of human rights and worse paying for it on top of everything else to add insult to injury.

OOPSIE!!

Now you have the inconvenient truth that hitler had semitic blood pumping through his veins.

OOPSIE!!

In fact this can get way worse as you will soon see because we can shed a whole new light on this one that even runs chills up my spine. Rule will most likely love it though.

Nope there is no getting off this hook, no place for you to squirm, no port ikn this shit storm that you brought upon yourself, but I cant wait to see how far you are willing to push the damage control envelop.

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jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 7:30:18 PM)

First provide proof that the scholars are mostly Jewish.

Second, it was not the scholars who decided antisemitic was anti Jewish.

Prove the institutions were mostly Jewish.

Of course Hitler had semitic blood, one of his grandfathers was Jewish. A fact that he spent a lot of time hiding.

Now prove everything you stated by showing the verifiable sources, and no anti-Jewish sites are allowed since you dont like us using the correct term.

Go ahead, I am sure the powers that be on these boards are more than willing to give you enough rope to hang yourself.




Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:03:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First provide proof that the scholars are mostly Jewish.

Second, it was not the scholars who decided antisemitic was anti Jewish.

Prove the institutions were mostly Jewish.

Of course Hitler had semitic blood, one of his grandfathers was Jewish. A fact that he spent a lot of time hiding.

Now prove everything you stated by showing the verifiable sources, and no anti-Jewish sites are allowed since you dont like us using the correct term.

Go ahead, I am sure the powers that be on these boards are more than willing to give you enough rope to hang yourself.


No need to prove anything you already made my case.




jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:12:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First provide proof that the scholars are mostly Jewish.

Second, it was not the scholars who decided antisemitic was anti Jewish.

Prove the institutions were mostly Jewish.

Of course Hitler had semitic blood, one of his grandfathers was Jewish. A fact that he spent a lot of time hiding.

Now prove everything you stated by showing the verifiable sources, and no anti-Jewish sites are allowed since you dont like us using the correct term.

Go ahead, I am sure the powers that be on these boards are more than willing to give you enough rope to hang yourself.


No need to prove anything you already made my case.



So Hitler hated was antisemitic, considering the insane medical cocktails he was taken, he probably hated himself as well.

Now about your other claims, Prove them or shut up.




LafayetteLady -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:15:27 PM)

It doesn't do anything of the sort.

A bigot or racist is someone who hates an entire group of people based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Hating Hitler is not hating the entire jewish race.

And for the record, in order for him to have been considered Jewish, he would have to have it on his maternal side, coming directly from his mother.




jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:18:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

It doesn't do anything of the sort.

A bigot or racist is someone who hates an entire group of people based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Hating Hitler is not hating the entire jewish race.

And for the record, in order for him to have been considered Jewish, he would have to have it on his maternal side, coming directly from his mother.



I was going to see if he figured that one out, I gave him the information and all he had to do was research it.

Of course I did limit the proof of verification to no Anti-Semitic or Anti-Jewish sites, so he would have to actually do some real research.




Powergamz1 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:22:20 PM)

In order for the religion to accept him as a birthright *member*, matrilinearity would have been required.

In order for certain non-Jewish people to treat him as a Jew, all that would be required would be Jewish ancestry.


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

It doesn't do anything of the sort.

A bigot or racist is someone who hates an entire group of people based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Hating Hitler is not hating the entire jewish race.

And for the record, in order for him to have been considered Jewish, he would have to have it on his maternal side, coming directly from his mother.





Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 8:34:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

And for the record, in order for him to have been considered Jewish, he would have to have it on his maternal side, coming directly from his mother.



There are exceptions to every rule and being credited with performing the holocaust is the proof.




LafayetteLady -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 9:55:17 PM)

Proof of what? That people are racist because they hate him?

Stretch the truth a little further why don't you?

Better yet, why don't you try to back up that statement with mountains of bogus truth like you do everything else?




jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/31/2013 11:08:43 PM)

Realone

Prove that the majority of scholars or groups or whatever that began using the term antisemitic as anti Jewish were in fact Jews, or quit posting your bullshit.

In other words prove all of your statements you made in this post are true, and again, do not link to a site with clear antisemitic associations.

You wont do that because you cant, and the reason you cant is that there is no legitimate web site that proves your point.

Which proves one thing, you are Antisemitic in philosophy, your intentions are to degrade and insult the Jewish people, and that you are a bigot, racist, and a neo nazi propagandist.




Desdemmonna -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 2:45:19 AM)

I invite the Gadge that accepts denial of the Porrajmos to go to the places such atrocities were committed.
I grew up hearing stories about the camps, the chambers, death marches, my great grandmother with a tattoo, how Onkel Mengele was so fond of the little Roma children because of the high frequency of twin births and fertility of the women despite beyond imaginable conditions and extreme deprivation.
It happened, it is a reality that cannot be denied and WON'T be.
I won't let it.
Opre Roma.




Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 4:11:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Realone

Prove that the majority of scholars or groups or whatever that began using the term antisemitic as anti Jewish were in fact Jews, or quit posting your bullshit.

In other words prove all of your statements you made in this post are true, and again, do not link to a site with clear antisemitic associations.

You wont do that because you cant, and the reason you cant is that there is no legitimate web site that proves your point.

Which proves one thing, you are Antisemitic in philosophy, your intentions are to degrade and insult the Jewish people, and that you are a bigot, racist, and a neo nazi propagandist.


You already know that I do not do strawman challenges.


By your own admission the holocaust did happen.
By your own admission holocaust denial is antisemitism.
By your own admission anyone who denies the holocaust is antisemitist.
By your own admission antisemitism is anti-jewish
By historical admission the holocaust is a sacrificial burned offering to G-D.
By historical admission the holocaust is a jewish tradition.
By your own admission hitler is jewish.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust on 6 million jews.


No evidence of gassing can be found.
So materially prove that gassing occurred.
Prove each of the 6 million claimed jews of the holocaust were in fact jews.
Prove how many of the 6 million died of illness?
Prove how many of the 6 million were shot.
Prove how many of the 6 million were killed by russians.
Prove how many of the 6 million were died on retreat.
Prove how many of the 6 million died as a consequence of allied bombing.
Prove how many of the 6 million were burned (cremated).


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Websters:
HOL'OCAUST, n. [Gr. whole,and burnt, to burn.] A burnt-sacrifice or offering, the whole of which was consumed by fire; a species of sacrifice in use among the Jews and some pagan nations.


The holocaust sacrifice has no upper number, the minimum of course is one.

Conclusion;
Hitler performed the sacrificial holocaust of 6 million of his brothers and sisters by human immolation.
Hitler is Jewish therefore anyone who condemns hitler actions is an antisemite
Hitler is Jewish, the holocaust sacrifice is jewish, hitler was exercizing his freedom of religion according to tradition.



Leading Holocaust Enabler:

Wiesel: "Every Jew, should set apart a zone of hate—healthy, virile
hate—for what the German personifies and for what persists in the
German." Book Legends of our Times 1968, 'An Appointment with Hate',
1962 American Jewish Committee's Commentary magazine.

But Mr Wiesel, hitler was jewish too!

"God, I hate the Germans..."
(Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944)

But Mr President, hitler was jewish too!


No prejudice there huh?
At the top ranks no less!
The president of the US
Thats up there huh?



The holocaust sacrifice has no upper number, the minimum of course is 1. The most fitting action of a holocaust is a sacrificial burning.

If it were only a genocide then it would be called a genocide, however its not, nor is it called a massacre, or simply a mass murder. The sacrificial burning label "holocaust" is added in addition to the use of more appropriate words, and in fact enforced in many european laws if it is denied, despite any evidence to the contrary.

It leaves any reasonable person to conclude that since hitler was jewish he had to have been performing the holocaust ritual.

A computerized search shows that no PhD dissertations prior to 1970
used the word "Holocaust" in the title, while between 1970 and 1975
there were 21, with 97 dissertations between 1976 and 1980, and 274
between 1981 and 1985" . . . (what happened in 1970?)


So the holocaust has theology, holy days, devils, saints, and
demands all worship its beliefs.



So Jeff you have to prove;

1) there were mass gassings.
2) all 6 million jews were gassed
3) all 6 million jews were burned
4) that there were 6 million Jews

So provide all the names, how they were determined to be jewish, the manner in which they were murdered so we can review and check that number. Prove it.


The only way the word holocaust reasonably fits in this puzzle is if it was a mass sacrificial rite and there is no possible way I could deny the holocaust under those circumstances since hitler had crematories and only needed to technically sacrifice 1 body to officially label it a holocaust and any thereafter are purely incidental and have no consequence to the label.


And whats really fucked up is that all this took place in lieu of all that camp entertainment, swimming pools, theater, plays, orchestra, and the prisoners could even earn money and buy beer at the canteena. Thats just plain fucking twisted and really needs to be sorted out dont you think


I am not going to post all those "proof of" entertainment pictures here since you have seen them already.




If you disagree? Prove this was not a large scale sacrifice by a jewish/german nutcase? Add this up for us since the historical picture presented when compared with the material evidence does not add up and appears to be purely political or maybe even some kind of religious war or ancient feud? (now I am not going to take this into molech unless someone wants to get silly and say lines were never crossed....Abraham and his son comes to mind) Sort that shit out for us Jeff.

(and good luck with that since "holocaust" describes the procedure for, and means sacrifice.)






jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 7:04:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Realone

Prove that the majority of scholars or groups or whatever that began using the term antisemitic as anti Jewish were in fact Jews, or quit posting your bullshit.

In other words prove all of your statements you made in this post are true, and again, do not link to a site with clear antisemitic associations.

You wont do that because you cant, and the reason you cant is that there is no legitimate web site that proves your point.

Which proves one thing, you are Antisemitic in philosophy, your intentions are to degrade and insult the Jewish people, and that you are a bigot, racist, and a neo nazi propagandist.


You already know that I do not do strawman challenges.


By your own admission the holocaust did happen.
By your own admission holocaust denial is antisemitism.
By your own admission anyone who denies the holocaust is antisemitist.
By your own admission antisemitism is anti-jewish
By historical admission the holocaust is a sacrificial burned offering to G-D.
By historical admission the holocaust is a jewish tradition.
By your own admission hitler is jewish.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust on 6 million jews.


No evidence of gassing can be found.
So materially prove that gassing occurred.
Prove each of the 6 million claimed jews of the holocaust were in fact jews.
Prove how many of the 6 million died of illness?
Prove how many of the 6 million were shot.
Prove how many of the 6 million were killed by russians.
Prove how many of the 6 million were died on retreat.
Prove how many of the 6 million died as a consequence of allied bombing.
Prove how many of the 6 million were burned (cremated).




Well, since you asked, look Here for the names of all the adult victims that died in the camps.

As for the total, it comes from the 16 miles of filing cabinets that have SS files pertaining to the camps and the SS Death squads, so no, not all of them were gassed and incinerated. Some where buried in mass graves. The Einsatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000 people, and they were the first Nazi organizations to commence mass killing of Jews as an organized policy.


You trying to pass blame onto the Russians is laughable, to say the least, a desperate ploy to try and change the focus of the argument seems more to your usual play when you cant prove your "facts"

As for Russia, the Soviet Union under Stalin killed more people of various religions, ethnic origin, political beliefs, and anything else that Stalin came up with.

The difference is that Stalin did not target people in his purges on purely a religious or ethnic reason.

So, I am going to tell you this, I am not going to do your research for you, and unfortunately, the Internet Database of the SS files is not available yet.

One more question, why do you not deny the five million non Jewish victims of the Germans during the Holocaust?




Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 9:07:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Realone

Prove that the majority of scholars or groups or whatever that began using the term antisemitic as anti Jewish were in fact Jews, or quit posting your bullshit.

In other words prove all of your statements you made in this post are true, and again, do not link to a site with clear antisemitic associations.

You wont do that because you cant, and the reason you cant is that there is no legitimate web site that proves your point.

Which proves one thing, you are Antisemitic in philosophy, your intentions are to degrade and insult the Jewish people, and that you are a bigot, racist, and a neo nazi propagandist.


You already know that I do not do strawman challenges.


By your own admission the holocaust did happen.
By your own admission holocaust denial is antisemitism.
By your own admission anyone who denies the holocaust is antisemitist.
By your own admission antisemitism is anti-jewish
By historical admission the holocaust is a sacrificial burned offering to G-D.
By historical admission the holocaust is a jewish tradition.
By your own admission hitler is jewish.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust.
By your own admission hitler performed the holocaust on 6 million jews.


No evidence of gassing can be found.
So materially prove that gassing occurred.
Prove each of the 6 million claimed jews of the holocaust were in fact jews.
Prove how many of the 6 million died of illness?
Prove how many of the 6 million were shot.
Prove how many of the 6 million were killed by russians.
Prove how many of the 6 million were died on retreat.
Prove how many of the 6 million died as a consequence of allied bombing.
Prove how many of the 6 million were burned (cremated).




Well, since you asked, look Here for the names of all the adult victims that died in the camps.

As for the total, it comes from the 16 miles of filing cabinets that have SS files pertaining to the camps and the SS Death squads, so no, not all of them were gassed and incinerated. Some where buried in mass graves. The Einsatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000 people, and they were the first Nazi organizations to commence mass killing of Jews as an organized policy.


You trying to pass blame onto the Russians is laughable, to say the least, a desperate ploy to try and change the focus of the argument seems more to your usual play when you cant prove your "facts"

As for Russia, the Soviet Union under Stalin killed more people of various religions, ethnic origin, political beliefs, and anything else that Stalin came up with.

The difference is that Stalin did not target people in his purges on purely a religious or ethnic reason.

So, I am going to tell you this, I am not going to do your research for you, and unfortunately, the Internet Database of the SS files is not available yet.

One more question, why do you not deny the five million non Jewish victims of the Germans during the Holocaust?


Oh yeh did you really think I would not drop that immediately into a spread sheet?

well you are off to a great start. after 75 years and we end up with:

6,000,000-1122 means you have 5,998,878 to go.

of which you have only 198 at auschwitz.

at a quick glance it looks like somewhere 600 - 700 of the names are from the USSR.

WTF is up with that?

well if we take the same ratio of Einsatzgruppen deaths as supposed camp deaths that puts it around 200.

So you want to insist that it was a holocaust then I want to know when Israel is going to pay us reparations for sacrificing non-jews in their cabalistic ritual. which is also the present state as it applies to the law in this country I might add. I want to know what the fuck they think they are doing forcing their holocaust beliefs on people that have religious freedom as their organic law?

6,000,000-1122 means you have 5,998,878 to go.

see that? you got a fuck of a long way to go.

I neither deny or affirm, but it aint looking to good right now for affirm. Maybe I should take LL's advice and fly over there and turn my brain off so I can get "in the mood"? Maybe that will help.

Bottom line holocaust denial is the denial of a sacred cabbalistic jewish blood ritual.
It is impossible to know if it happened or not.
Holocaust denial has not a damn thing to do with semitism acccept that it was practiced by certain semetic tribes. Dragging all semitic tribes to that level is in fact prejudice, unless you want to narrow your definition down to a certain tribe.
This overgeneralized sweeping definitions used for holocaust and antisemite is in itself reckless and is no wonder it pisses off other semitic nations.

How would you feel if someone lumped you in by making sweeping assinine abominable despicable generalizations about everyone wearing glasses? If I were arab I would be fucking livid.

This is nothing more than:

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Neither affirm nor deny until I see BONAFIDE evidence that would stand the test of legal review.

Better get crackin! You got:

Only 5,998,878 to go
.

(and that is unproven since it looks like most (60-70%) of your list are from Russia, but WTF lets not waste our time splitting hairs)

Why do you believe in unproven speculation?









MissAsylum -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 9:14:12 PM)

I've read through this thread twice, so if I still missed it, my apologies.

I'm simply curious to know if the Holocaust didn't happen (or didn't happen to the numerical extent that has been reported), exactly, what happened?





Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/1/2013 9:17:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

I've read through this thread twice, so if I still missed it, my apologies.

I'm simply curious to know if the Holocaust didn't happen (or didn't happen to the numerical extent that has been reported), exactly, what happened?





read my last couple of posts on the matter. It pretty well sums it up.




Politesub53 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/2/2013 3:29:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

I've read through this thread twice, so if I still missed it, my apologies.

I'm simply curious to know if the Holocaust didn't happen (or didn't happen to the numerical extent that has been reported), exactly, what happened?





read my last couple of posts on the matter. It pretty well sums it up.


Only in your own mind.




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