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Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (2/2/2013 8:01:00 PM)
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ORIGINAL: subordinance
I know this post is going to make me unpopular, but technically all Arabs are semites, and there are many, many Arabs with whom Jews don't get along right now. Many, many Arabs have denied the Holocaust. RealOne claims to love Palestinians so, based on that technicality alone, Holocaust denial wouldn't make him an antiSemite. Palestinians have a perspective as well, though it's certainly not the one held by most Americans, nor even the one held by most Germans! I have seen similar debates before, though usually over religion, on boards that were not religious. Here is how they go:
Atheist: I can prove the Bible is untrue.
Christian 1: Shouldn't Atheist be banned for hate speech against Christians?
Christian 2: There should be a poll, in order to figure out whether Christianity is true. Why would anyone try to disprove the Bible except they hate Christians? Do they get some sort of thrill out of it? What a disgusting person!
Atheist: Here is some proof that Noah's ark didn't occur.
Christian 1: The proof that you hate Christians is in the fact that Noah's ark did occur, yet you think you can prove it didn't. I know my history. Guess you don't. Your only aim is to send us to hell.
Christian 2: There was a time when it was illegal to deny the Bible. I wish we could go back to that. People wound up in prison for it, which still happens in some countries, but I can only wish it for mine. The only reason people try to disprove the Bible is they are hateful, bitter atheists, and they are trying to turn us all into bitter atheists, because they need people to share in their misery. I just laugh at them. They only prove their own ignorance.
Christian 1: Good idea. It really tells me more about what type of person they are. Obviously, a Satanist. They can try to disprove the Bible, but they won't succeed, because it's true. There's lots and lots of evidence. That's why they look so pathetic to the Christians they hate.
Christian 2: Hey Atheist, answer me this one question - have you ever had a spiritual moment when God was truly speaking to you, and you were open to His love and listening for Him? God can't speak to you unless you open your heart.
Atheists: Here is evidence against the crucifixion.
Christian 1: How anyone can be so cruel as to deny the crucifixion amazes me. They drove nine inch nails through His hands and feet and He bled to death as they were whipping Him, and there were witnesses, including his poor family! Even His own mother! Several witnesses recounted the death and took careful notes, and we have those with us to this day. It was more agony than you can ever imagine, yet you have the gall to doubt it, which just shows how cruel you are. That is what you are denying, Atheist. That type of suffering, you cruel, inhuman troll. How would you like to go through that? How would you like it if people denied your sacrifice?
Christian 2: Most atheists know God exists. They just hate Him. They don't want to obey Him, so they deny His existence. That's the true motive. This guy is just sad. Notice how he never answered my question about whether he had ever had a truly spiritual experience where he opened His heart and was listening for God?
Christian 1: Yes, I noticed, and all of his so-called evidence is links to other anti-Christian sites, so what does that prove? And he keeps quoting people who are known for, basically, nothing but their lack of faith - other atheists, so why on Earth does he expect us to listen to him?
You guys won't manage to prove anything, debating this, because you are all very strongly and intrinsically tied to your positions. I see a little debate going on, but mostly insults back and forth and calls to have your opponents banned. I suspect that, like Christians and Atheists, your beliefs aren't going to change, no matter what points the other makes. Like Christians and Atheists, there is a majority opinion and a minority one, so there will be one guy representing the unpopular view and any polls would lean toward the popular view and, like Christians and Atheists, you feel too strongly to concede any points to the other side without losing patience. Each side will just accuse the other side of ignoring their points and not addressing them. I admit that I ignored the actual debating, because it's boring compared to the emotions being flung back and forth. Both sides posted lots of material but, like the rest of you, my position on this matter can't be changed no matter what, so it's a waste of time to read your evidence for or against, though I do believe that's why the debate is going nowhere.
Some people find brains that fire on all 8 disturbing. I expect that most people do not know that Hitler is Jewish.
Imagine going to a catholic church for instance and receiving the holy sacrament of communion then having some asshole tell the world you didnt.
That would be an assault on your religion. Now I see why Israelis get so bent out of shape over holocaust denial and have lobbied to get legislation passed throughout europe and now the whole world to throw holocaust deniers in jail.
They understandably take their rituals very seriously.
Of course as you said, using the term antisemite and I will add using the media to force people to think of arabs as being in their same bubble, well something does seem right about that. I would not want to be linked to a madman who burns people as human sacrifices on what is being claimed at a genocidal level. You would think rather than advertise it they would try to sweep it under the carpet and say it was not a holocaust.
the rest, the 6 million and the gassing is yet to be proven.
Jeff posted a list accounting for 1122 leaving 5, 998,000 and change left to prove. Not sure though since many of those people were shown to have died in russia.
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