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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I am telling you that doublethink leads to madness. It really does man. Zundle being found guilty for "holocaust denial" has nothing what so ever to do with no gassed people.

If the law says you shalt not deny the holocaust it does not matter if there were no war at all, he denied the holocuast then damn it he is guilty.

They dont have religious freedom over there you know, they are told what to believe and its enforced by imprisonment.


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ORIGINAL: ScaryKids
My grandpa graduated with a degree in Chemistry in 1939. He immediately went into the Army after graduation, first as a paratrooper, then aerial/combat photographer, then as a field chemist after he sustained a knee injury. His job was to indentify potentially toxic substances and neutralizing reagents. There was indeed physical, topographical, and chemical evidence, both forensic and existing collected during and after the war, some of it by him personally. He was also granted access to Nazi doctors and other war criminals, pre-Nuremburg, in an attempt to understand methods and procedure for the use of some of the substances that Allied military had been exposed to.

In 1945, he returned home and started working as the head chemist for Ethox Chemicals, LLC, which had a military contract at the time researching and reproducing chemical weapons used during the war in order to develop treatment and preventative methods in future incidents until 1966. (Their military contract, with his name as contact, his security clearances and his military records and some of his submitted documentation are all a matter of public record and should be an easy paper trail to follow if looking in that order. If you run across NASA polymer development research in the same name, then you've got the right guy.)

He retained a good bit of the military documentation of the mass genocide in Europe in his personal files, both what he collected and what the military deemed pertinent to his research. My mother inherited these documents in 2003 and which came to me after she passed in 2008. If you'd like copies, PM me and I'd be glad to send them, or get you started in looking up and applying for official copies since these have been declassified (you can find out how to do this on any genealogy website.)

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ORIGINAL: ScaryKids
I was more or less indicating that I was jacking this thread with my long response. Thank you for indicating your inability to accept that some one may contribute something to this discussion, if even in humor.

If you want more out of me, take it to the mailbox as requested the first time.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh thats only associated with the US forces, do you think allies are only the US? Incidently if you look carefully at that sealed document you can see that it says Muller, in german Muller and Miller are most often interchangeable.

if you care to read the memo it was about false complaints of gassing and lies that had been previously investigated and proven false and they were obviously getting sick of them.

Another case of what you dont know can and does hurt you imo.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



wansee I told you they use the term evacuate and exterminate in the same sentence interchangeably.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Of course he can't: he won't even give us the entertainment of watching him try...

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


If the law says you shalt not deny the holocaust it does not matter if there were no war at all, he denied the holocuast then damn it he is guilty.

They dont have religious freedom over there you know, they are told what to believe and its enforced by imprisonment.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

hitler youth?
Snorts, sorry I leave him alone when hes on his disgusting bullshit fact challenged posts, but this made me snort loud

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

hitler youth?
Snorts, sorry I leave him alone when hes on his disgusting bullshit fact challenged posts, but this made me snort loud

Hitler youth didn't reach the level of officer at twelve. That was the point.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing out the nature of the site. Still does not change the fact the document in question was dismissed by a court of law, but you are correct, courts have dismissed evidence contrary to the prosecutions case in the past. I will give you that.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Austria does not have religious freedom? Be that is new to them.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh thats only associated with the US forces, do you think allies are only the US? Incidently if you look carefully at that sealed document you can see that it says Muller, in german Muller and Miller are most often interchangeable.

if you care to read the memo it was about false complaints of gassing and lies that had been previously investigated and proven false and they were obviously getting sick of them.

Another case of what you dont know can and does hurt you imo.

There seems to be a problem with your "official, sealed document." It's been proven to be a forgery.

Lachout Forgery

Now of course, you will refute everything in the above link, but it doesn't matter. It clearly shows that you are talking out of your ass (as usual) trying to use "proof" from sources who have an agenda.

ETA:

Lachout was TWELVE YEARS OLD when he was supposedly involved in this. He could not have had the rank of "Lieutenant" at that age. Care to explain that away?

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



wansee I told you they use the term evacuate and exterminate in the same sentence interchangeably.

What is your evidence of that?

The German word for evacuate is evakuieren
The German word for exterminate is auszurotten

Do they look interchangeable to you? Do you even speak German?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id rather set fire to my nipples with a cigarette

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


If the law says you shalt not deny the holocaust it does not matter if there were no war at all, he denied the holocuast then damn it he is guilty.

They dont have religious freedom over there you know, they are told what to believe and its enforced by imprisonment.

Wow, you really know so little about Germany, it's funny.

Germans are guaranteed religious freedom in article 4 of their Constitution. Did they have religious freedom during the reign of the Third Reich? Nope. But before and after, the Constitution article stands.

Also, the law about denying the holocaust has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with Germany not wanting their citizens to deny what actually happened. Ask a German, someone who actually lives in Germany and is a German citizen, not someone in the US with German heritage who hasn't a clue.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This is all a case of someone believing tin foil sites, digging deeply into the topic to find obscure meanings... while totally avoiding the obvious, such as the ages.

While the rest can rage on, I have spoken to people who have the numbers. Others can believe what they read. I will believe what I am told by those who were there.

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Houston, TX - September 1, 2010 - Family Tree DNA, the largest Y-chromosome testing organization for genealogy and ancestry purposes, announced today that the interpretation given by certain media outlets that Adolf Hitler's ancestry included possible Jewish relatives is highly questionable. These reports were based on information released by Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren. With a Y-chromosome database containing close to 200,000 samples from different populations, Family Tree DNA's Chief Y-DNA Scientist, Professor Michael Hammer said that "scientific studies as well as records from our own database make it clear that one cannot reach the kind of conclusion featured in the published articles.

Based on Family Tree DNA records, no more than 9% of the populations of Germany and Austria belong to the haplogroup E1b1b, and among those, the vast majority - about 80% -are not associated with Jewish ancestry. "This data clearly show that just because one person belongs to the branch of the Y-chromosome referred to as haplogroup E1b1b, that does not mean the person is likely to be of Jewish ancestry," said Professor Hammer.

Mulders confirmed the misinterpretation of his account with the following statement to Family Tree DNA: "I never wrote that Hitler was a Jew, or that he had a Jewish grandfather. I only wrote that Hitler's haplogroup is E1b1b, being more common among Berbers, Somalian people and Jews than among overall Germans. This, in order to convey that he was not exactly what during the Third Reich would have been called 'Aryan.' All the rest are speculations of journalists who didn't even take the trouble to read my article, although I had it translated into English especially for this purpose."

Founded in April 2000, Family Tree DNA was the first company to develop the commercial application of DNA testing for genealogical purposes that had previously been available only for academic and scientific research. Today - with over 300,000 individual records in its Y-DNA and mtDNA databases - and a state-of-the-art Genomics Research Center in Houston, Texas, Family Tree is the prime source for anyone researching recent and distant family ties.
Family Tree DNA Questions Reporting about Hitler's Possible Jewish Origins

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Gee the lab that did the DNA tests on the Hitler family says it is not definitive that Hitler was of Jewish ancestry.